Monday, August 07, 2006

Wafa Sultan(A Woman against Islam)(Μια Γυναίκα τα βάζει με το Ισλάμ)

90 comments:

Ergotelina said...


Her is the TV Dialog Written and Commented by american blog

Ergotelina said...

To Dr. Wafa Sultan by Basem Soufi

(AN OPPOSITE VIEW BY A MUSLIM BLOGGER IN SYRIA)

Ergotelina said...

Wafa Sultan in WIKIPEDIA

Ergotelina said...

Αφου ειναι Ψυχολόγος η Wafa
Eδω ταιριαζει το post του Μιχάλη Μητσου απο τις Διαστάσεις
Όταν ο Φρόυντ συναντά το Iσλάμ
(The encounter of Freud with Islam)

ioannisk said...

κεφτές!

vasvoe said...

κριμα που δεν έχει ήχο.

Ergotelina said...


Τhis video was given to me by PeaceMan.
He has two other videos(Teaching Children to die for Allah in Palestine and Lebanon)and an answer from Basem

Ergotelina said...

Vasvoe Καλως όρισες

Watch this Video,if the first does not play

Ergotelina said...

Another Video with a Feminist Woman against Islam

Ergotelina said...

Her name is "Ghada Jamshir"
She is from Bahrain

cyrusgeo said...

Απίθανο!

Nikos Dimou said...

Eντυπωσιακό και πειστικό....

Ein Steppenwolf said...

Merika sôsta kai polla lathos anameikta. Elpizô hoi Mousoulmanoi pou tên akoun na mên epimeinoun sta polla sêmeia hopou tous adikei kataphôra, alla na kratêsoun to meros tês alêtheias ap' tis holoklêres ê mises alêtheies pou eipe.

andy dufresne said...

Η κυρία είναι ακόμα ζωντανή;

heinz said...

Σαφώς και έχει δίκιο σε πολλά σημεία.

Αλλά, όταν μιλάει για "φως και σκοτάδι", αναπαράγει την έννοια της σύγκρουσης πολιτισμών, και μάλιστα ξεκινώντας από μια εντελώς αυθαίρετη διαδικασία:

Την αξιολόγηση των πολιτισμών.

Και το να στήνεις έναν ..παπά απέναντι να τον πυροβολείς, δεν είναι και το δυσκολώτερο ε; Άμα θέλει, ας στήσει έναν ενημερωμένο κοινωνικό επιστήμονα, να δούμε.

Και ξαναρωτώ:: Ξέρεις τον Γιώργο τον Νικολακάκη;

PeaceMan said...

Well...so you posted the video I sent you.

I could just kiss you.

:-)

PeaceMan said...

http://www.jihadwatch.org/

What does the Arabic word jihad mean?

One answer came last week, when Saddam Hussein had his Islamic leaders appeal to Muslims worldwide to join his jihad to defeat the "wicked Americans" should they attack Iraq; then he himself threatened the United States with jihad.

As this suggests, jihad is "holy war." Or, more precisely: It means the legal, compulsory, communal effort to expand the territories ruled by Muslims at the expense of territories ruled by non-Muslims.

The purpose of jihad, in other words, is not directly to spread the Islamic faith but to extend sovereign Muslim power (faith, of course, often follows the flag). Jihad is thus unabashedly offensive in nature, with the eventual goal of achieving Muslim dominion over the entire globe.

Jihad did have two variant meanings through the centuries, one more radical, one less so. The first holds that Muslims who interpret their faith differently are infidels and therefore legitimate targets of jihad. (This is why Algerians, Egyptians and Afghans have found themselves, like Americans and Israelis, so often the victims of jihadist aggression.) The second meaning, associated with mystics, rejects the legal definition of jihad as armed conflict and tells Muslims to withdraw from the worldly concerns to achieve spiritual depth.

Jihad in the sense of territorial expansion has always been a central aspect of Muslim life. That's how Muslims came to rule much of the Arabian Peninsula by the time of the Prophet Muhammad's death in 632. It's how, a century later, Muslims had conquered a region from Afghanistan to Spain. Subsequently, jihad spurred and justified Muslim conquests of such territories as India, Sudan, Anatolia, and the Balkans.

Today, jihad is the world's foremost source of terrorism, inspiring a worldwide campaign of violence by self-proclaimed jihadist groups:

The International Islamic Front for the Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders: Osama bin Laden's organization;
Laskar Jihad: responsible for the murder of more than 10,000 Christians in Indonesia;
Harakat ul-Jihad-i-Islami: a leading cause of violence in Kashmir;
Palestinian Islamic Jihad: the most vicious anti-Israel terrorist group of them all;
Egyptian Islamic Jihad: killed Anwar El-Sadat in 1981, many others since, and
Yemeni Islamic Jihad: killed three American missionaries on Monday.
But jihad's most ghastly present reality is in Sudan, where until recently the ruling party bore the slogan "Jihad, Victory and Martyrdom." For two decades, under government auspices, jihadists there have physically attacked non-Muslims, looted their belongings and killed their males.

Jihadists then enslaved tens of thousands of females and children, forced them to convert to Islam, sent them on forced marches, beat them and set them to hard labor. The women and older girls also suffered ritual gang-rape, genital mutilation and a life of sexual servitude.

Sudan's state-sponsored jihad has caused about 2 million deaths and the displacement of another 4 million - making it the greatest humanitarian catastrophe of our era.

Ergotelina said...

Nικο

Καλως όρισες

Ηταν πετυχημενος ο τιτλος
που ειχες δωσει
"Τρισυπόστατο Μίσος"

Η Θρησκεία παίζει καταλυτικό ρόλο
εμεις βέβαια το εχουμε ξεχάσει..

.. ποσες χριστιανές και
εβραίες παλιότερα,τηρουμενων
των αναλογιών
θα ηταν στη θεση της Wafa και της Jamshir;.........................

Cyrusgeo
Kαλως ηρθες

Αndy
αυτό αναρωτιεμαι και εγω..

Ein Steppenwolf
Προσπαθω και εγω να δω
τα σημεία που κανει λαθος
αλλα αν σκεφτείς τι εχει
ζησει...

Το ξεσπασμα της πρεπει να
εχει σχεση με
τα βιωματα της...

Heinz

Δεν ξερω τον Νικολακακη
τον κοινωνιολόγο,ε;

Aυτο για σενα...................

fikizy

My wife is a christian and i have great marriage with her, when i first met my wife 2 years ago, she was talking like this stupid woman. And after she saw Turkey and muslims in Turkey, she said that western media is only showing bullshit about muslims, i didnt know that there is so many facts which western people never saw on tv. big brother is pushing u to believe that we are barbarians, when europe was living like animals at middle age we were building the top of civilisation.

YahtzeeNazi

Have you and your wife been to Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iran, or Iraq lately?
Sure, Turks don't usually blow themselves up or kill women for infidelity, but that doesn't say anything about the rest of the Islamic world.
And having been the most advanced civilization 800 years ago doesn't mean you're still at the top of the game.

fikizy

i m not talking about having hi technology, transistors, robots or Hi-Fi systems. with "top of civilization" i meant "HUMANITY". we are the first group of people on the world who forbid having slaves. these lands have ethic of being human for more than 1400 years. western countries may have perfect technology but they are loosing their humanıty day by day. they forgot what is living together on earth.

fikizy

they have selfish generation which is ready to destroy everything on earth to survive their being. here everybody, included this woman says that muslims are full of hate. are u kidding with us? christians are full of with hate that they can even make alliance with jews against muslims. i see that europe forgot that they were kicking jews out of europe 500-600 years ago. only ottoman empire accepted them as human.

Εχει αλλα 70 Comments..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WLoasfOLpQ&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fergotelina%2Eblogspot%2Ecom%2F

Ergotelina said...

@Peaceman

You are right about Jihad...

but we must count Bush Holy Crusade too.
... and in the past Holy Wars and Crussades by Christians ?



Why do we blame Israel?

it is supposed to be more civilized
state.

So they have to teach the other side
the road of tolerance...

When a century-long fight remains..
Both sides have a burden
of responsibility..


))))))))))))))))))))))))))

BadlyDrawnBoy said...

Αυτ'η η κυρία μου θύμισε λίγο τη δικιά μας την κ. Τζανή.

Anyway, γιατί αποπροσανατολίζεις την κοινή γνώμη από το τριαράκι της Εσπανιόλ;

Ergotelina said...

Αναρωτιέμαι πως θα ηταν μια
συζητηση της Wafa με την Κανέλλη.........
που την εχω ακουσει
να υποστηριζει σε γενικες γραμμες
την πολιτισμικη παραδοση του
Ισλαμ


Για την τριαρα...μας μαγεψε
η Καλομοίρα

Ergotelina said...

The 70 comments about the Video

Ergotelina said...

Και η συνεχεια...


YahtzeeNazi

The fact that Muslims weren't killing Jews 600 years ago is irrelevant, since they've clearly changed their minds. It is ESPECIALLY irrelevant considering that WHILE MOHAMMED WAS ALIVE, HE HAD ALL THE JEWS IN MEDINA CONVERTED OR KILLED.

fikizy

pls man u suck so much, u r talking without any knowledge.u dont have respect to me and my belief, .u r trying to tell that my prophet was murderer. u r showing ur ability about being human. most of western people r like u. if u cant argue on any subject without insulting holy values,how u can think that u r more civilized than us?

fikizy

people of earth can make union even with evil against muslims, this is the hate in u that ll never let peace to be on earth.

FreeCyprus said...

Great video. Believe me, many of my Muslim friends feel the same way.

And regarding my Greek family and friends, almost all of them are anti-American and anti-Israel when speaking with foreigners. However, when we speak among ourselves, yes, I hear them yap the usual Jewish conspiracy theories, but I have heard most of them say the things the Dr in the video said

"we aren't afraid of jews strapping bombs to themselves and bombing Greek restaurants and Churches.."

-- FreeCyprus
Hellenic Reporter

Ein Steppenwolf said...

Ergo te Lina dira...
Προσπαθω και εγω να δω
τα σημεία που κανει λαθος
αλλα αν σκεφτείς τι εχει
ζησει...

Το ξεσπασμα της


Xespasmata biônoume hena sôro, auto pou khreiazetai einai nêphaliotêta kai katharo myalo. Thelontas n' apodeixei tên politismikê anôterôtêta tês Dysês blepei mono ta kala tês kai mono ta kaka tês allês pleuras. Pseutiko dilêmma: ê Los Angeles ê moulades.

As paroume t' agalmata tou Boudda. Katastraphêkan ontôs ap' tous Taliban, alla eikhan epizêsei hekatontades khronia hypo islamiko kathestôs khôris na ta peiraxei kaneis. Ho Syros pou tês thymêse tis thrêskeies kai haireseis tês Mesês Anatolês ekhei dikio: 1400 khronia den tis peiraxe kaneis. Synepôs den einai to Islam aph' heautou mê anektiko.

Xerei arage posa tzamia katastraphêkan stên Hellada apo tote pou "eleytherôthêkame"; Sta Giannena eikhe gyrô sta eikosi ki ekhoun meinei peripou tessera.

Stê Khalkida eikhe kapou endeka. To megaloprepestero, to bayrakli Camî ("to sêmaiostolismeno") katedaphistêke gia ktêstei mia theoratê ekklêsia, pou blepontas kaneis ton ongo tês phantazetai ti eidous ktêrio eprepe n' antagônistei. Apo to bayrakli Cami den ekhei meinei oute mia zôgraphia.

Sto Rhethymno psakhname hena tzami tou hopoiou phainotan mono ho psêlos minares. Sto telos eidame hoti den hypêrkhe prosbasê, dioti ta ktêria to kyklônan apo pantou! Mpêka s' hena artopôleio, stên pisô aulê tou hopoiou stekotan akoma ho minares ki hena mikro khtisma, hoti eikhe apomeinei ap' to tzami. Ho artopôlês mou eipe me perêphania hoti thelane na ton rhixoune to minare "na glytôsoume".

Symphônô me tê Wafa Sultan hoti prepei na prostateuontai t' agalmata tou Boudda, hopôs physika kai ta tzamia tês Helladas.

FreeCyprus said...

Ergo te Lina, thanks kindly for visiting my site and giving me the Hanson book referral. I will look for it in the library.

-- FreeCyprus
Hellenic Reporter

Ergotelina said...

FreeCyprus

In Canada you don't have problems
with rasicm,religions and fanatics
do you?...

I have not heard about....

Ein Steppenwolf
Πολλα θα μπορουσε να πει κανεις..
Για τα Μαθηματικά,την Τεχνη
των Αραβων...επι Μεσαίωνα....

Την ανεκτικότητα των μουσουλμανων
προς στους Εβραιους και Χριστιανους
κατι που τονίζουν παντα
οι Μουσουλμανοι Ιστορικοί..

Για την σφαγη απο τους Ισραηλινους
στο Deir Yasin
ως απαντηση αν εχει δει
κανείς τρομοκρατες Ισραηλινους...

Εν καιρω πολεμου ...
ευκολα χρίζεις καποιον Τρομοκρατη..

@Aπλως εδω κανει εντυπωση οτι
μια "μουσουλμανα" γυναικα μπορει να μιλαει
ετσι αυθόρμητα....σε μουσουλμανο κληρικο..

Το Εχεις ξαναδει;

Ergotelina said...

Comments about the second
video from the Bahraini
woman



hajeji

that is why the american army have their bases in your country and go with your women - if one american enters yemen, lybia or any real arab muslim country - then they will lose

Fwap1

What do you mean by "Real Arab country"? Do you mean countries where child molestation is a national tradition. Or is it those countries where the men treat their women as slaves and and most "men" don't have the balls to fight real men in real armies from the west? Bahrain is one of the few arab countries where the people have the intellect and guts to grapple with the endemic perversions of Arab culture.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=EFrlQPvBmC0

FreeCyprus said...

Hi Ergo te Lina, I'm not based in Canada but from what I have read and heard from family and friends there...these things do not happen and they CANNOT happen as Canada is a secular country with a democratically-elected secular government.

FreeCyprus said...

Oh by the way, in Canada, in the province of Ontario, the Muslim community tried hard to get the government to accept Sharia law; for Canadian society to accept judgements made in Sharia courts instead Canadian Law.

It was defeated.

Here's an interesting article on the rise of radical Islam in Canada:

CSIS has spies in many mosques

Ergotelina said...

@Free Cyprus

Thanx for the infos

@about
ISRAELI TERRORIST GROUPS
IRGUN,HAGANAH
as an answer to Wafa

THE BOMBING OF THE KING DAVID HOTEL

heinz said...

Xμ,

Jews against Zionism

Ein Steppenwolf said...

Ergo te Lina dira...
Aπλως εδω κανει εντυπωση οτι
μια "μουσουλμανα" γυναικα μπορει να μιλαει
ετσι αυθόρμητα....σε μουσουλμανο κληρικο..


Kai malista se doryphoriko kanali. Homologoumenôs entypôsiako. Makari na synekhisei kai na brei kai kana synhomilêtê tês prokopês, anti tou "Egô hairetikes den tis paizô".

Ergotelina said...

@Steppen ..Μακαρι όντως I Wish..

@Heinz

Ορθόδοξους Εβραίους...

αυτούς εννοείς;;;

Παρ τον ενα και χτυπα τον αλλο!...

((Σιωνιστης ειναι ο Κοσμικος
Εθνικιστης που πιστευει σε ενα εθνος τυπου Γαλλικης Επαναστασης;......

Εχει ενδιαφέρον η συζητηση...




Δεν είναι αβάσιμη η αντίληψη που έχουν σήμερα πολλοί Ισραηλινοί κοσμικοί εβραίοι -η συντριπτική πλειονότητα του λαού- ότι τα δικαιώματά τους απειλούνται από τη μικρή αλλά δυναμική παρουσία των ορθοδόξων, (((πολλοί από τους οποίους πιστεύουν πως το κράτος του Ισραήλ δεν θα έπρεπε να έχει δημιουργηθεί πριν από την έλευση του Μεσσία!!!)))). Βάζουν, όμως, στην άκρη τη μικρή αυτή λεπτομέρεια και ικανοποιούνται προς το παρόν με τις κρατικές επιδοτήσεις που λαμβάνουν για τα θρησκευτικά σχολεία τους.

Η Αριστερά και οι φιλελεύθεροι Ισραηλινοί, ωστόσο, έχουν ήδη αρχίσει να αγανακτούν από το ιδιόρρυθμο αυτό θρησκευτικό status quo, αφού εξαιτίας του πληρώνουν υψηλούς φόρους προκειμένου να χρηματοδοτούνται οι ορθόδοξες σχολές, των οποίων οι μαθητές (((δεν κατατάσσονται στο στρατό, δεν φορολογούνται και δεν εργάζονται!!!))). Εξαιτίας της αντιπάθειας για τους ορθοδόξους, έχουν ήδη παρατηρηθεί επιθέσεις εναντίον τους από μη θρησκευόμενους εβραίους.

Αυτοί οι άνθρωποι έχουν απηυδήσει πλέον από τον τρόπο με τον οποίο οι ορθόδοξοι προσπαθούν να επιβάλουν τον τρόπο ζωής τους στην πλειονότητα. Αγανακτούν κάθε φορά που περνούν με το αυτοκίνητό τους από την ορθόδοξη γειτονιά Μέα Σεάριμ της Ιερουσαλήμ και δέχονται βροχή από πέτρες επειδή είναι Σαμπάτ!!!...ημέρα που ο Θεός έδωσε στο λαό του για ξεκούραση. Και εξανίστανται όταν κάποιοι τολμηρότεροι φανατικοί εβραίοι πέφτουν στις ρόδες των αυτοκινήτων προσπαθώντας να τους εμποδίσουν να οδηγήσουν, ακόμα και αν αυτό σημαίνει ότι θα χάσουν τη ζωή τους!!!!


Ισραηλινές ιδιορρυθμίες:
Μία θεοκρατική κοινωνία;

(ISRAEL...A THEOCRATIC SOCIETY?)

Art Attack said...

e-mail δεν εχεις εσυ?
(η εγω ειμαι τοσο γκαβος και δεν το βλεπω?)

Ergotelina said...

Θα στειλω...

Πανω στην ωρα ηρθες...

Χρειαζόμαστε G-Girls

Μια Φεμινιστικη Νεα Μεση Ανατολη

PeaceMan said...


Hizballah's propaganda arm falls on hard times. "Reuters withdraws all photos by Lebanese freelance," from Reuters:

LONDON, Aug 7 (Reuters) - Reuters withdrew all 920 photographs by a freelance Lebanese photographer from its database on Monday after an urgent review of his work showed he had altered two images from the conflict between Israel and the armed group Hizbollah.

NoFearNoHateNoGreed said...

Knock Knock,

Hello everyone. Sorry to say that I don't understand what language you guys are speaking with. I'm Arab and speak English and Arabic fluently. I don't have the ability to speak that third of yours.

Thank you ergo te lina for stopping by and giving me comments. Appreciate it.

Please, what is going on in Afghanistan (Taliban and such) and how they treat their women are perhaps the most barbarian things I heard about. The Arabs are not excluded from this. Some of the Gulf states are monstrous towards their women. This is insane.

Also, some of the things I learned about Shiia Muslims from here:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EFrlQPvBmC0

I never knew about Shiia doing this chiling acts with their children. God. God. God. Ya Allah, where in the world did they come up this? I knew about Muta'a (Pleasure) was there with the Shiia, but this? shildren?!!! What the hell???!?!?!

This is insane. Most of these kind of monstrous acts is barbarian culture pasted on Islam.

Not sure where those Shiia came up with all of this.

As for Islam, it is not about covering the woman's hair or growing the man's beard. Islam is simply the following:
1. To bear witness that there is none worthy of worship save Allah and that Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) is the Messenger of Allah.
2. To observe Prayer (Salat).
3. To Pay Zakat (Alms giving)
4. To perform the Pilgrimage to the House of Allah (Hajj).
5. To Observe fasting during Ramadhan.

For "Peace"maker and his like, if you want peace, you need to analyze all parties, especially the devilish Zionist entity and its mid-east puppet the USA.

I'm just the Muslim voice on the internet.

Regards,

Basem Soufi

Ergotelina said...

@PeaceMan
truth is the first casualty in war.
hear all the news
but don't take it as granted


@Wellcome
Basem and thank you for
your comment.
I appreciate to hear
a muslim(sunni,druze,alevi?)opinion
of a young person.

@Basem Soufi..that is to say..
soufism ( تصوف ,taṣawwuf?)

@Do you think that Quran or the
people who interpret the holy
book have to be modernized?..

@Is there such a progressive movement from the young people?

@Is going Syria to be the
Peacemaker of the Region?...

@There are some open-minded
Israelis to conversate with them


The real estate war
By Gideon Levy

Ergotelina said...

Days of darkness
By Gideon Levy




Have the people through the net
and the blogs some power to
make something good?........

Here we speak Greek.

Kalimera!...Goodday!...
Efkharistô!...Thank you!...

Art Attack said...

Τι εγινε, βαζουμε τισ βασεις για την επανασταση εδω? :p

Οι γυναικες της μεσης ανατολης και πιο πανω ακομα, περνουν το δικο τους Ισραηλ η καθεμια, εδω και αιωνες τωρα.Θελει πολυ δρομο ακομα το πραμα.Ασε το ξερω καλα, στα μερη τους γεννηθηκα και μεγαλωσα.

Ergotelina said...

Kαλημερα...εχεις γευτεί
και εμπειρίες
της Ανατολης δηλαδη;;

:)

katproko said...

ενώ η δική μας κοινωνια τη σέβεται τη γυναίκα...
σου υπενθυμίζω ότι μόλις χτες πουλήθηκε μια βουλγάρα σε έλληνα για 300 ευρώ

Ergotelina said...

@katproko

καλως όρισες..αυτό εχει
σχεση και με το ρατσισμό
και τους μεταναστες...

Επιχειρηματα παντως
θα ακουσεις και απο το
Ισλαμ..παρόμοια με τους
δικούς μας Παπάδες.....

"Εμεις προστατεύουμε την Γυναίκα"
"Η Δυση την εκμεταλλεύεται"


Ειναι ενδιαφερουσα και μεγαλη συζητηση..


@NoFearNoHateNoGreed

Are the Arabs also responsible
for what they suffer?....


Aπο Διαστάσεις που λεγαμε...
http://diastaseis.blogspot.com/2006/08/i.html


Gehad Mazarweh says some things that may not please Arab ears. "The Arab world is still governed by myths and prejudices. Academic education and learning have had very little influence on people's thinking. Arab education is based on obedience, adaptability and a constant effort to fulfill the desires and expectations of the authorities. This type of education leaves clear signs of insecurity, lack of initiative, lack of self-esteem, fear of failure, apathy, docility and fear of innovation.
"When I see the demonstrations in Israel saying, No more war! I ask myself when similar processes will finally take place in Arab countries as well. Have you ever heard about a demonstration in Jordan, or in Syria or Egypt? The time has come for us to face the truth. We've been lying to ourselves for too many years."
Such views have already led Mazarweh to be accused of self-hatred. "There can be no reform of Arab society unless we open ourselves up to a new path," he says. "It's a process that will last for generations, but we must begin. We can't go on pinning the responsibility for our miserable situation on others. Yes, there is discrimination in Israel, but who's stopping the people in Taibe from cleaning the streets, for instance? You should see how filthy it is there. Every time I come back to visit, Taibe looks worse. It depresses me because in my father's time, Taibe was a paradise. Mention Taibe anywhere today and anyone will tell you that it's a disaster. Murder, prostitution, drugs, all the world's ailments have come together here. You look around and you're probably impressed with the cars and the villas. I'm not. I'm familiar with the discrimination in Israel. I'm horrified to keep hearing every day that they're threatening us with transfer. But the government isn't the only one responsible for the crime and neglect in Taibe. We have a big part in it, too."


There are some open-minded Palestinians too.
or Arabs from Israel one can say..

Here is the Whole Story

Ergotelina said...

For someone who speaks German
here is a very interesting site

Der arabische Psychoanalytiker Gehad Mazarweh

katproko said...

καλά αυτό έχει να κανει με το ρατσισμό και τους μετανάστες

τότε να σου μιλήσω για τον αποκλεισμό της χωρισμένης γυναίκας ή για το καθημερινό κρέμασμα της ανύπαντρης μητέρας από τους μουτζαχεντίν του ελληνοχριστιανικού πολιτισμού;

Ergotelina said...

@katproko
Φερε παραδειγματα
να τα συγκρινουμε...
Δεν εχω προβλημα...
Μου αρεσει να ακουω..


@Αrt Attack

Mε αυτο το κοριτσι στο Ιran την Nazanin
που ειχες κανει
και συ post...

Tι εγινε τελικα;;;

@Παρατηρησε τα σχολια στο Indymedia

"Δεν ειναι σωστο timing
να συζηταμε τετοια πραγματα"....

Ergotelina said...

τον αποκλεισμό της χωρισμένης γυναίκας ή για το καθημερινό κρέμασμα της ανύπαντρης μητέρας από τους μουτζαχεντίν του ελληνοχριστιανικού πολιτισμού

Για να πουμε την αληθεια
και στην εκκλησία οφείλεται
η ρατσιστικη αντιμετωπιση
απέναντι στην χωρισμενη
ή αγαμη μητερα


Ομως τα τελευταια χρονια

ελίσσονται

Ergotelina said...

Για την αγαμη ή χωρισμενη
γυναίκα μονη με παιδί..

http://ergotelina.blogspot.com/2006/06/m.html
http://ergotelina.blogspot.com/2006/06/blog-post_21.html

heinz said...

Ergo te Lina said...

"Ορθόδοξους Εβραίους..."

Έχουν πολύ ενδιαφέρουσα τεκμηρίωση για την μανία των σιωνιστών για την Παλαιστίνη και το πως συνδυάστηκε με το Ολοκαύτωμα.
Τώρα για την εγκυρότητα των πηγών τους, δεν ξέρω....

heinz said...

και για τις γυναίκες:

Πρέπει να δημιουργήσουν τη γυναικεία κόχη (niche) στην κοινωνία.
Γιατί κάποιες, αντιγράφουν αντρικά (και μάλιστα τα απεχθέστερα) πρότυπα κι απλώς αναπαράγουν την κατάσταση.

heinz said...

εργοτελινα said

"Do you think that Quran or the
people who interpret the holy
book have to be modernized?."

Μπερδεύουμε τη πίστη, με την "επιστημονική" κοινωνία.
Δε γίνεται!!!

Ergotelina said...

Heinz
About the Armed Israeli Women
did you say that?.............

Δες το post και τις φωτογραφίες της Μανταλένας

Ergotelina said...

@Ηeinz

Παλιότερα ειχα ακουσει
για ενα συνεδριο
των 3 Θρησκειών...
(Τρισυπόστατο μίσος
που ελεγε ο Δημου)

Νομιζω το συνεδριο
στην Αθηνα εγινε

και οι Νεωτεριστες
που υπαρχουν σε καθε θρησκεια
ακομη και στο Ισλαμ
ειχαν προτεινει
να απαλειφθούν όλα
τα εδαφια απο τα Ιερα Βιβλία
που πυροδοτούν την Μισαλλοδοξία
και τον Φανατισμό....

Αλλα η πρόταση δεν περασε...

Next Time.........

:)

Kαι δεν ειναι η πρωτη φορα
που εχουν αφαιρέσει
και προσθεσει
εδαφια απο τα Holy Books...

PeaceMan said...

Ergo, I respectively disagree.
As a Swiss Christian what I see are 5 million Jews surrounded by 350 million Arabs who want them dead.

Don't cry for the fake Lebanese pictures not being used by Reuters...cry instead for the innocent Lebanese women and children that Hizbullah hides behind. Let Hizbullah come and battle the Israelis like men, face to face, not fire rockets from beside homes, then scurry away like rats when you turn on the light.

Support Israel's fight against radical Islam because after radical Islam kills the Jews, the Buddhists and Hindus are the next targets (no, wait, they are the targets NOW)...then after will be the Christians (no, wait, they are the targets NOW)

PeaceMan said...


...we did not agree with some of Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah's statements during his interview earlier with Aljazeera.

He said first of all that they are fighting not only to defend Lebanon but they are fighting for the whole Arab region.

He also said the war will continue whether the Lebanese people like it or not.


-- Nayla Moawad, the Christian Lebanese widow of Rene Moawad, a former president who was assassinated by radical Islam just days after taking office in 1989

Remember that phrase..."whether the Lebanese people like it or not"

This is not a war for Lebanon.
This is a war for the nation of Islam.

Ergotelina said...

Are you Swiss?

May the Whole Middle East,Caucasus and the Balkans be a Switzerland of Tolerance!


But the Israelis didn't they
have radicals and fanatics too?

When will the Americans
withdraw from Iraq?

:?

Ergotelina said...

I dislike Religions when
interfere with Weapons and Blood




if Islam is tagged with all the names one can think of, how can you convince the people who see this now that Judaism is not less violent than other religion(s)

Ergotelina said...

You said that we must be afraid
of Islam Holy War against
the whole world....

Maybe it's true
.. we are near to the verge
of a War between different Civilizations...

But here in Greece,we have to
take care of a neighbour
who is Secularist
and allthough the goods of
secularism
remains a Nationalistic State

May Europe help them...

Ergotelina said...

Peacman said in a previous post

What would my new country Germany do if Hezbollah killed 8 German soldiers and kidnapped 2 German soldiers or citizens? Just sit back and say "oh well" ????


Turkey has lost more soldiers
in the war against the
oppressed Kurds

But US doesn't allow Turkey to invade Iraq!!

ovi said...

‘But US doesn't allow Turkey to invade Iraq!!’
Ha, that's a bit of an issue especially remembering one of your map-posts a bit in the back

ioannisk said...

@ergo
Καλό απόγευμα τι κάνεις;
Δεν άκουσα τι λέει η κυριά αλλά ίσως να ανήκει στην ίδια κατηγορία με την Ayaan Hirsi Ali που έγινε γνωστή τα τελευταία χρόνια.
πχ: Dutch MP to quit amid asylum row

Πάντως όλα τα λεφτά είναι:
"when europe was living like animals at middle age we were building the top of civilisation."
Όταν ΕΕΕΕΕμείς χτίζαμε Παρθενώνες (στην Λούτσα:))!!!!!!!!!!! όπως λένε και οι Ιταλοί Grechi Turchi una facia une racia...

Είμαι υπέρ στον να υπηρετούν και τα κοριτσάκια στον στρατό. Όταν έχεις χώρες σαν την Ελλάδα και το Ισραήλ που σφάζονται με τους γείτονες τους τότε πρέπει να υπηρετούν όλοι. Η διαφορά είναι πως τα κοριτσάκια που υπηρετούν τον Ισραηλινό στρατό είναι στρατιώτες ενώ τα αγοράκια που υπηρετούν τον Ελληνικό στρατό ... όσοι έχουν πάιε στρατό ξέρουν και υπόλοιποι (όσοι θέλουν) μπορούν να μάθουν πολύ εύκολα.

" Νεωτεριστες" σε θρησκεία δεν μπορούν να υπάρξουν. Η θρησκεία "εκπροσωπεί" την απόλυτη αλήθεια αν αλλάξεις κάτι τότε φτιάχνεις μία άλλη θρησκεία.

Να απαντήσω στον "ΆνθρωποΤηςΕιρήνης"; μπα είναι σαν να απαντάω στους εγχώριους θαυμαστές της Hezbollah. Αν αυτός είναι Ελβετός τότε εγώ είμαι ο αυτοκράτορας της Ιαπωνίας.

ioannisk said...

@katproko
Σίγουρα η θέση της γυναίκας στην Ελληνική κοινωνία δεν είναι ιδανική αλλά δεν είμαστε και Taliban και ευελπιστώ να μην κυβερνήσουν (άμεσα) οι μουλάδες του Φαστόδουλου.

Από την άλλη σε μία πάμπλουτη κοινωνία σαν την Ελληνική έχεις απαιτήσεις που δεν έχεις από μία κοινωνία στέρησης σαν το Afganistan και για αυτό θα κριτικάρω πολύ ποιο εύκολα την Ελλάδα.

Ergotelina said...

Εχει και συτη video.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali Interviewed On Channel 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b04pjSiTWUQ&mode=related&search=
Ειναι περιπλοκη υποθεση η
Σομαλη,δες εδω.
http://athens.indymedia.org/front.php3?lang=en&article_id=539081
http://e-roosters.blogspot.com/2006/05/h.html

Ψεμματα ειναι για τον Αραβικο
"Μεσαίωνα";;
Όταν αυτοί χτίζανε Aλκαζαρ (οχι της Λαρισας!)
εμεις είχαμε ποχτίσει...
και μας εφαγε η εσωστρεφεια
οπως το ΠΑΣΟΚ καλη ωρα...

When Arabs were building Alkazar

Ergotelina said...

Ρωτησα τον Guerrero
,(τον Σκεπτομενο Πολεμιστη
που λεει ο Δημου)
και μου χε πει:
Δε χρειαζομαστε γυναικες
στο στρατο!
Μπορουμε και μονοι μας!
Τελικα μονος του θα μεινει ο Παγκαλος!!! :(

Yπαρχουν και Νεωτεριστες
σε καθε θρησκεια...
με τους οποιους συνομιλει
και ο Χριστοδουλος........

Πχ. Να καταργηθουν τα ρασα
και τα γενια..................

Παντως δες! το video
Ειναι η Λιανα Κανελλη της Μεσης
Ανατολης......................

ioannisk said...

@ergo
"Εχει και συτη video."
%(*&!%@&*%^!&*@%^!(&*^@()&*!^&*()! Πότε πρόλαβες;;;;

"Ψεμματα ειναι για τον Αραβικο "Μεσαίωνα";;" Αχ δεν διαβάζεις το Blog μου :(
Ναι αλλά έχει τόση σχέση με αυτούς που έχτισαν το Μπλε Τζαμί όσο έχω εγώ με τον Πλάτωνα. Άσχετο ο τύπος είναι Τούρκος όχι Άραβας.

ioannisk said...

"Ειναι η Λιανα Κανελλη της Μεσης
Ανατολης"
MON ALLAH!!!

Δηλαδή σε 5 χρόνια θα εκλεγεί βουλευτής με την Hamas; ή θα διαφημίζει μπούρκες;

Ergotelina said...

Κανελλη στο υφος..

Η Λιανα δεν νομιζω να συμφωνουσε
μαζι της.
Μιλαει στο video
και για civilizations clash.


Διαβασε το τελευταιο post του Καπλάνι για τον Αχμαντινετζάντ((:)

FreeCyprus said...

Breaking news:


Hizbollah fighter tells Israel he trained in Iran

FreeCyprus said...

I should have added "fact or fiction?"

FreeCyprus said...

PeaceMan, you have posted on my site as well, many times. You seem very angry, I guess I don't blame you. I don't blame the other side for being angry either.

But we cannot let the hate consume us...to own us.

The entire Christian New Testament can be summed up in one phrase spoken by Jesus:

"Love one another!"

Peace my brother.
Let go the hate...

-- FreeCyprus

belinha said...

Hello!You have quite a discussion forum here!These are important issues but I must admit that I'm not as well informed as I would like to be.Every week I see documentary movies in Tv about great problems of our world.The ilegal emigrants situation in Morocco,the raping of lesbians in South Africa, the women' kidnapping and sexual exploration after being alured with job propositions, the raising of neo-nazi youngsters'movements, hunger in Africa...!World has becoming a tic-tac bomb!(I saw an interesting doc on bombist psycholo
gical profile.It presented interesting insight on what leads people to commit suicide in that way and how the bond between them is formed.)I saw also a doc on Beirut reconstrution after the end of civil war.It was broacasted days after this conflict sarted.It was a beautifull city.I love a city that's close to the sea.Now everything ir ruined again!It's crazy!One thing that really bothers me is how can a person start a life again after such big destruction.I thought about that too after Asia's Tsunami.It must be appaling...

Ok,let's post more light content!
I was surprised because you know the portuguese expression "Caramba!"I use it often!

Internet is feminine!We say "A Internet" not "O"!

Yes, I agree with you.Internet is a good tool to bring people together, to work together, to exchange ideas.It's good when Internet serves good purposes.I think that "Colaboração" was a great idea.

Something about the music in the video.It's from a band called Tindersticks and I have all their records, maybe 6 or 8.Probably it's my favourite band.Their music is a bit sad but beautifull.I think they are british but I don't know much about them.I don't care about anything but the music, don't have patience to read about music star life!

Bye!

PeaceMan said...


Smoke gets in your eyes...

Ergotelina said...

........

Oil gets up my nose...

BadlyDrawnBoy said...

."I think they are british but I don't know much about them."


They are British, indeed.

FreeCyprus said...
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FreeCyprus said...

Ergo, I posted a Human Rights Watch article on my site about the Israeli-Palestinian crisis (let's not forget there's another conflict nearby)

baudolino said...

Eínai pánta dyskolo na krínei kaneís mia katástasè kai dè hénan politismó apó ektós. Den eícha tèn týchè na episkephthô arabikê ê musulmanikê chôra méchri tôra, allá échò gnòrísei edô stè Germanía ta teleutaía enniá chrónia pollús Árabes kai Túrkus kai borô móno na symperánò apó synomilíes mazí tus, hóti átoma tóso kritiká hópòs hè Wâfa spanízun. Kai na pò hóti eícha epaphê móno me thrèskólèptus ê me anthrôpus chamelotéru ekpaideutikú epipédu, ta opoía den émathan poté na askún kritikê stè thrèskeia kai tèn parádosê tus, na kánò pòs to katalabaínò. Ómòs kai apó phoitètés kai akadèmaikús spánia échò dei táseis autokritikês. Den écho gnorísei akóma Áraba pu na APODECHETAI to dikaíòma hýparxès tu Israêl! Énas sympathéstatos Sýros mu élege pro mènôn hóti monadikê lýsè tu Mesanatolikú theòreí tèn EXAPHANISE tu Israêl apó to chártè! Pôs na milêseis kai ti na peis?

Ergotelina said...

Willkommen im Ergo Baudolino!


Εχω ακουσει απόψεις
Φιλιας και συνυπαρξης
απο τους Αραβες του Ισραηλ
ειναι πιο διαλλακτικοί

Δες τον γερμανόφωνο Παλαιστίνιο
Ψυχαναλυτη Gehad Mazarweh
http://diastaseis.blogspot.com/2006/08/i.html
http://www.occupationalhazard.org/article.php?IDD=497
http://www.klick-nach-rechts.de/gegen-rechts/2003/06/mazarweh
Το τελευταιο ειναι στα Γερμανικα.

Δες και απο Haaretz
In the name of Allah
By Riad Ali

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/747996.html

Deepak Gopi said...

Tum Kaham Ho
Kaham=where
Where are you ?

dodos said...

ΤΑΑΑΑΑΧΥΔΡΟΜΟΣ!!!

Deepak Gopi said...

I dont think so.
please teach me some Greek also.
kal mileinge=see u tomorrow

baudolino said...

Vielen Dank Ergotelina!

Ísòs na eínai óntòs phonê elpídas hoi Árabes tu Israêl mia kai biônun ti bía apó dýo pleurés se mía chôra. Ómòs den pávun na apotelún mia meionótèta, mia stála neró stèn érèmo tès Arabías.
Prôèn synkátoikós mu se phoitètikê hestía, Marokkinós mu anélyse tis diaphorés metaxý tôn triôn monotheistikôn thrèskeiôn, me ta exês lógia: "Hóloi pistévun ston ídio Theó, Hebraíoi, Christianoí kai Musulmánoi. Hè diaphorá énkeitai stèn husía: hoi Hebraíoi hoi einai kataraménoi, dióti theòrún to Theó apokleistiká dikó tus, hoi Christianoí eínai hoi paraplanèménoi dióti áphèsan tus Hebraíus na tus paraplanêsun kai móno hoi Musulmánoi eínai hoi alèthinoí phoreís tès pístès kai hoi mónoi pu tha klèronomêsun tè basileía tòn uranôn".

PeaceMan said...

From Brigitte Gabriel who grew up in Lebanon during the Civil War and lived in a bomb shelter as Hezbollah and the PLO lobbed Katsushas into her town, the last remaining Christian town in South Lebanon not taken over by the guerilla groups at the time. She now lives in the USA with her family.


Brigitte_Gabriel_Discusses_Lebanon - Israel and Hezbollah on CNN_07-19-06

Ergotelina said...

baudolino

Και εχεις δικιο για τους Αραβες
οτι λενε πως η μονη λυση
ειναι να μπουν στα πλοια
οι Εβραιοι και να φυγουνε..

Συζητουσα με ενα Συριο..
αυτο ελεγε..

Διαβαστε απο τις Διαστασεις

Κι αν ο σημαντικότερος σύμμαχος του Ισραήλ, αντί να το βοηθά, το σπρώχνει προς την καταστροφή; Μήπως όλοι αυτοί οι κακοί υπολογισμοί και οι σπασμωδικές κινήσεις είναι αποτέλεσμα μιας απέραντης μοναξιάς;

...................................


Οι ΗΠΑ προσπαθουν να στησουν τα μετωπα του εχθρου με βαση το λεγομενο civilization clash και κανουν οτι μπορουν για να πεισουν την κοινη γνωμη γι'αυτο, για να μην αντιλαμβανεται ο κοσμος την πραγματικοτητα.



Kalo kalokéri!! Good Summer!!!...

ukok said...

I saw this interview on You Tube only last month and thought it was absolutely fantastic.

Heliotypon said...

Το κυριότερο πρόβλημα είναι η σύγκρουση της Αριστοτελικής λογικής και υπερφυσικού! Από τη μιά ο φανατικός θρησκόληπτος, που πιστεύει τυφλά σε ό,τι του έχουν πει, από την άλλη ο επιστήμων ή ο πιστεύων στον επιστημονικό τρόπο προσέγγισης. Αδύνατη η συνεννόηση. Αδύνατη η προσέγγιση των δρόμων. Και ιδίως αδύνατη από τη μιά στιγμή στην άλλη. Δυστυχώς χρειάζεται πολύς χρόνος...

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