Thursday, August 10, 2006

To Σεξ στη Σύγκρουση των Πολιτισμών(Sex Civilization Clash)

COVER INDUSTRY:MY IDEAS ABOUT SEX IMPOSE ON YOU TO BE DRESSED!...UNCOVER INDUSTRY:MY IDEAS ABOUT SEX IMPOSE ON YOU TO BE UNDRESSED!!....
An idea,that i saw in Greek Focus Magazin,designed and coloured by the painter DODOS

102 comments:

Ergotelina said...


The Guardian's Middle East editor, Brian Whitaker, has written us a fascinating dispatch about sex and Islam. The topic came up as a result of a religious debate in Egypt about whether it is acceptable to take your clothes off when you have sex. One scholar, an expert on Islamic law from al-Azhar university in Cairo, warned that being completely naked during intercourse invalidates a marriage, while others countered that "anything that can bring spouses closer to each other" should be permitted. Brian writes:

Unlike Christianity, which tends to be squeamish about sex, Islam has a long tradition of talking about it openly. Up to a point, this is much more healthy. While Catholic priests are enjoined to remain celibate, Muslim clerics are expected to marry and indulge heartily with their wives in the pleasures of the flesh. In many parts of the Muslim world, especially where folk are poor and uneducated, the local imam is the person many turn to for guidance on matters relating to sex and marriage

Ergotelina said...

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SEX EDUCATION” - AN EFFECTIVE TOOL OF THE WEST FOR THE PROMOTION OF DEBASED SEXUAL VALUES

The West is making a vigorous effort to promote their libertine culture and values upon the nations of the world. To this end, they are employing all the resources available at their disposal. One such powerful medium is education, via the Western, secular educational system. In order to promote it’s liberal culture on sex, the West introduced the concept of sex “education” (Corruption) as an important element of the educational curriculum. Through this, it hopes to imbue the coming generations with its corrupt values on sex from a very tender age. Corrupt and perverted values on sex are being foisted onto the minds of the unwary victims in the name of sex “education”. Young, impressionable minds are being slowly corrupted with debased Western sexual values at secular institutions under the guise of “education”. Tangible examples of such degenerate sexual values is encouragement towards sexual “experimentation” in the form of masturbation, dating, viewing pornographic material, premarital sex, depraved sexual acts and practices and casting aside modesty and natural inhibitions. These are the anti-thesis of all that which Islam stands for. The danger this poses to the Muslims, especially the Muslim youth, is indescribable, as it shakes the very foundations of their faith, their morality and their value systems. Yet many parents and concerned citizens of society are blissfully unaware of the magnitude of the problem. If this trend continues unchecked, the tidal wave of depravity will certainly destroy the morality of the Islamic society. Every member of society has to play a meaningful role in stanching this rot and decay that is sure to devastate our present and coming generations. May Allah protect one and all from this avalanche of pollution.

Aameen!.....

ovi said...

Να ΄ξερες τι τεράααααααστιο θέμα άνοιξες!!! Οταν δείς Φιλανδές, τις πρωτες γυναίκες στην Ευρώπη που κερδίσαν το δικαίωμα ψήφου, τυλιγμένες και το μόνο που φαίνεται είναι τα μάτια τους .... μου φαίνεται οτι πρέπει να έρθεις εδώ!!! :)

Ergotelina said...

Aπο το link που εχω στον τίτλο...


Overall, their analysis shows that

)))Finland, Sweden, W. Germany, Canada and Norway are at the top of the international gender equality scale, while ))))Morocco, Egypt, Bangladesh and Jordan are at the bottom.

"An Islamic religious heritage is one of the most powerful barriers to the rising tide of gender equality,"


Η Ελλαδα δεν ξερω που ειναι
αλλα πρεπει να το ψαξω....

Αυτα θα συνεβησαν ή συμβαινουν στην OstroBotnia


Οχι στο Ελσινκι...

ε;;..

:)

Εχεις φωτο;;..
Μηπως ηταν ντυμένες "Αγιος Βασίλης";;

:))))...

belinha said...

In my opinion we dress to protect ourselves from clima.We should remember more times that we are animals also.In this way we might even respect animals more.Unlike most animals we are born with little defenses.That is the main reason.What came after that is no more than education...and fashion industry!!!This maybe rather simple or naif. Probably you're laughing.But I see things this way, really.Go back in time as much as you can.And forget religion for a bit.In the jungle(Africa,Amazonas)we see tribes that wear few clothes and that is natural in the comunity.Even today.They don't have a christian ou muslim belief, in fact they might belive in lots of different gods and worship the sun.But if the community lives together in harmony, why not?!And don't call them primitives please.I see a lot of primitive way in our so called modern society...

If my english was better and if I had the time I would comment on what I read on "sex education"comment.But I think it would be "chover no molhado"as we say(= to rain on a wet ground).And I don't have the time for it either.I rather draw and make collaborations with people that I don't even know across the world/Internet.I think that we should search for what can bring people together amongst diversity and not about what can separate people.I'm getting so tired of this western/east disput.Life is so precious...

belinha said...

By the way, I worked with a gender equality programme in a project from European Comission that carried a study amongst 5 countries a few years ago.It was about how to reconcile family and professional life.Before that I studied a lot on gender issues both in western and east.So unlike other issues, I'm aware and informed.That cartoon makes us smile but its very serious matter.Good!

Ergotelina said...

Belinha...
Obrigado para seus comentários!
Collaboraçao com Dodos!..
:),.çç


The cartoon shows that the Men
Ideas impose the way a woman
has to be dressed or undressed.

That happens both in
a patriarchic society
and fushion industry...

Yeah we smile but things
are more serious for
the women...

How about Portugal?...
and gender equality?..
Are religion and fashion
strong enough
to control the sex and dress behaviour?...

Ergotelina said...

Διαβάστε το post του Καπλάνι,για την ιστορια μιας Ιρανης που ειναι τωρα στην Αθηνα

PeaceMan said...

From Brigitte Gabriel who grew up in Lebanon during the Civil War and lived in a bomb shelter as Hezbollah and the PLO lobbed Katsushas into her town, the last remaining Christian town in South Lebanon not taken over by the guerilla groups at the time. She now lives in the USA with her family.


Brigitte_Gabriel_Discusses_Lebanon - Israel and Hezbollah on CNN_07-19-06

belinha said...

Gender issues are a relatively new question in Portugal. Before Carnation Revolution in 1974 we had dictatorship and our civil law and Constitution were based in patter familias domain, there is the man was the master in society and in the family. Law was absurd and it discriminates women on several aspects such as family, work, academic life, public life…I think that we have accomplished much for such a short period and this proves that with wise political orientation a change is possible. However mentality revolution is very slow. And so a country can have a law that is gender equality friendly but its social reality can remain discriminatory for long time.
Our Constitution says that State must promote gender equality, civil law was revised several times and a lot of campaigns were made to raise social awareness on gender equality. In 1998, the Penal Code was revised so violence against women was public offence. Since then when police receives a complaint must investigate. But we still have a lot of violence towards women and low rate of prosecution of those crimes.
The law on the protection of maternity and paternity was revised to include new rights for fathers, including full paid paternity leave. I remember one or two campaigns. This is very good. But men (both work colleagues and boss) are discriminating men that takes paternity leave!
On the issue of public life and political participation female participation is low. This is another important issue. If Government, central and local, had more women, society might be shaped differently. However men took those places for them selves for years. Women are slowly taking a place there but they must work in private sphere and public. It’s harder for them than it was for men. To raise a family is still a more demanding task for women
Women are studying a lot and graduating in university courses outnumbering men. But most of the illiterate population are women. Women are the higher percentage of unemployed too. We have very aged population and the country is divided in coast developed regions and interior desertification. Both regions have target groups that undergo bad life conditions. Most of them are women.
We still have a wage gap in the labour market although law presents equitable terms of employment and sanctions those who prevaricate.
Stereotyping women in public and private life is not so strong nowadays. We are more at ease with a men that is a social worker and a woman that joins the navy.
. In what family life concerns I think men are still the dominant gender because they still manage to impose their way on women, I believe that many times they give in to avoid trouble. Sharing tasks at home, for example, isn’t that common as you might think. I remember pretty chocking results from a national inquiry. Data looked as if we were living in 1940!
But we must foster cultural change and mentality. There’s a lot to be done. On the surface you might get the impression that Portugal is a very tolerant and open-minded society. Globalization brought a lot of different realities into our living room TV and into our lives. And Portuguese society has a number of new problems to deal with now that were not there 20 years ago.
In my opinion main problem is that individuals are not being brought up to think for themselves. I think that one should be taught to think, to question, and to be able to see the two sides of everything. Religion still has great strength here. Although there’s a bit of hyocrisy in the way people behave. I think I wrote enough…

Ergotelina said...

:)
We are Southern and making
our steps to progress...


(((after we organized successfully
athletic events that put us
more close to globalization)))

Euro-Footbal and Olympics...

@I think portugeuse and greek society have similarities
on this issue..

the roots of gender inequality?.....
(the reason why we are not Sweden……)

In Portugal…the catholic church?...
The geographical isolation?…

In Greece….the orthodox church?…
The geographical point of Greece near to Turkey and Middle East?…..
:)))
P.S
Is Islamophobia raising up in Portugal as in Spain?....
(that is because they have
immigrants from Morroco)

you have immigrants from
Brazili and Angola...
.. they speak your language...
it s easy for Portugal to
have a mild and peaceful immigration policy,is n't it?.....

belinha said...

Well, I've been earing that Greece and Portugal have lots of similarities for ages.Really, its something that we ear all the time.It must be true!:-)
I know little from modern Greece.I had a pen friend form Greece many, many years ago... before we even dream of InterneT!He used to send me postcards and all sorts of things.Onde day he sent me a bottle with a beverage and I nev er drink it of course!!Good old days!I think I still have the postcards somewhere...

We've been quite isolated.Things started to change after 1974 and were fastened when we join EC.That and Church... and latin way!:-)

Islamophobia? I don't think so.Sometimes I even got this feeling that people don't have enough perception that we are in the same boat with Spain,England and others...Booom!Of course Spain had bombing attacks.But Spain has more of collective awareness than we.We speak a lot and do nothing.Spanish people react, they shout,they take the streets.I was in Barcelona when EUA invaded Iraq and house balcony was full of posters: Stop the war, stop the war, americans go home.When an oil ship tanker sinked in northen Spain and oil spilled and Aznar failed to act right people were all over Spain in demonstrations...

Our Prime Minsiter is actually in Brazil with President Lula da Silva and its agenda is immigration mostly.We are giving g
ood conditions to Brazilian people that wish to come here within legality.The process is now simplified.Brazil had profit more from our historical bonds than we did.But I think that we might be able to improve relations with Brazil.I think that we accept well immigration from Brazil.

But we have problems with people that came from Africa, Guine and Cabo Verde.Second generation, there is,the youngsters that are born in Portugal,live a dilema.Law says that they are not portuguese although they were born here(because it's the blood criteria that's used to give nationality)from African father and mother.(I think this is about to be changed or was changed already after July, it will be great for them.)But they are raised in portuguese schools that are not prepared to deal with its African culture.So they often feel lost.Areas near Lisboa where these population lives are critical.As we are dealing with unemployment raising and economical stagnation its natural that small criminality emerges. Not only there, everywhere. But this population is often targeted as criminal.I do say that we have prejudice too based on skin colour.I read a report on school teachers'profile made by a social researcher on pupils' discrimination.If they have black children in the class they assume from the beggining that they are less inteligent and more lazy than white children. It's not a bed od roses as you see.

ioannisk said...

Καλά δεν ντρέπεσαι;;; Sex πριν τον γάμο;;; Που είναι οι παραδόσεις; που είναι τα έθιμα; Και είσαι από την Κρήτη!

O Tempora o mores!

:)))

@ovi
Πάντως όταν είχα είχα δει γυναίκες με μπούρκα στις Βρυξέλλες (πριν από 1-2 χρόνια) δεν με πείραξε καθόλου... Δεν ξέρω αν θα έπρεπε (δεν παίρνω θέση).

Άσχετο η φίλη μας από την άλλη άκρη της Μεσογείου μπερδεύει το "αφτί" με το "ακούω" :)

Υ.Γ. Καλά το BBC πως και αγνοεί την ύπαρξη του blog σου; Blogging the conflict in Lebanon

ioannisk said...

@belinha
I do not know if Greeks and Portuguese have many thinks in common. We both belong to the European Mediterenean which obviously means that we share thinks, but on the other hand we come from different backgrounds, you come (or still are?) from a catholic heritage we come (or still are?) from an orthodox one.

On the other hand you face the Atlantic, we are close (or part?) of the Middle East. You have been a colonial country which we were not, you have been able to come in terms (peace etc) with your neighbours but we have not.

"We are giving good conditions to Brazilian people that wish to come here within legality." logical you speak the same language. "But we have problems with people that came from Africa, Guine and Cabo Verde" we do not give good conditions to people from Albania or Pakistan (or or or) so at this point we are alike. Of course the mentality here is one who "speaks" Greek outside Greece is Greek not in Portugal. I should note that what “shakes me” or at least Ι can not accept, is the latent racism for people from “Cabo Verde”, until 30 years ago it was your colony.

"Law says that they are not portuguese although they were born here(because it's the blood criteria that's used to give nationality)" The Greek law says the opposite (Droit au sol in French) but in practise it is "Droit au sang", it is practically impossible for a muslim to get Greek nationality. But a Greek-African, that is a Greek, who’s one parent is Greek and the other is African can get easily nationality.
"Second generation, there is,the youngsters that are born in Portugal,live a dilema" That is the case everywhere because those kids live in 2 different worlds, I guess that kids of Portuguese immigrants, lets say France, who return to their "country" feel strangers because X things that they take for given work differently in Portugal. It has nothing to do with a specific country but to the fact that these kids have grown up in a different culture.

The last part of your paragraph could be written from Greece as well, as in most (all?) countries of this planet.

Cheers from a, not so Greek, Greek :) 

CILENCIO NO SE CALLA said...

Tus 104 años no se notan para nada... Pareces mucho más jóven en tus ideas... Tu blog es muy, muy inteligente, de una enorme sensibilidad... Deberás perdonar mi traducción, que es por una máquina,yo no sé ingles. Pero ya te aprecio, abuelita linda.
Te envio un beso Cilencioso.
Your 104 years they are not noticed for anything... you Seem much younger in your ideas... Your blog is very, very intelligent, of an enormous sensibility... you will forgive my translation that is for a machine, I don't know English. But I already appreciate you, pretty granny.
I ship you a kiss Cilencioso.

Ergotelina said...

Buenas días!

gracias por tu comentario..

Déjeme preguntarte

Cilencioso o Silencioso?

(that means silent..)

que significa silencioso....


P.S

Mi historieta -pintado por Dodos -http://dodoulis.blogspot.com/-que habla también español -dice:

1.Mis ideas sobre sexo imponen ante usted que se ser vestida!

2.Mis ideas sobre sexo imponen ante usted que
se desnudará!
:)

Ergotelina said...

@Bela Belinha

ioannisk é um "intelectual colonialista" francófilo....

Eu comerei Badlydrawnboy...
non te!....

Correct me if wrong..

1.Minhas idéias sobre o sexo impõem em te a ser vestida

2.Minhas idéias sobre o sexo impõem em te a ser desnudada

candyblue said...

Ο ένας βλέπει τι θα γα@#$@$ει ενώ ο άλλος όχι.

Έτσι κάνουν και στην πολιτική.Ο ίδιος κώδικας ισχύει.

Deepak Gopi said...

Hi
I am very poor in traslation.
Gopi is my fathers name.You can call me DEEPU,if you wish.
About 60% of the marriages here are arranged marriages.
Gender differences exist and Indian
society is a male dominated one.
Be frank with you I havent seriously thought about my marriage
PYAR,PREM=LOVE
NAFA,KAM=EROS

Ergotelina said...

GAMOS=Μarriage
GYNEKA=Woman
ANDRAS=Man


Shukriya for your comment
Deepuk...
You are a highly sensitive person...
Are you feminist?..................

@Don't you intend to marry
Kate Winslet?
:)

http://deepakgopi.blogspot.com/2006/08/am-i-bit-crazy.html



Candy Azul said

Ο ένας βλέπει τι θα γα@#$@$ει ενώ ο άλλος όχι.


Candy Azul(portuñol)

@Belinha

Do you speak portuñol?...

Λοιπόν...

Ενα μικροτερο,παρόμοιο σκιτσο
δημοσιευτηκε τον Ιουλιο
στο Focus με θεμα το Φεμινισμο..

Πρεπει να ναι παλιο σκιτσο...
στο Dodos απλως ειπα να παρουσιασει
το δικο του design.
Για το σκιτσο στο Focus δεν εχω βρει το δημιουργο του..
εστειλα e-mail να μου πουν....

Λοιπον περι Φεμινισμου....
ο σκοπος του ηταν να σατιρίσει
με τη δευτερη εικονα που κανει εντυπωση την εκμεταλλευση της γυναικας απο τη βιομηχανια της μοδας και του σεξ..

Δλδ..αυτος που καθεται στην
καρεκλα του γραφειου
μπορει να ναι και ο Κωστόπουλος...

Δεν του μοι@ζει;;
:)

-Στο πρωτο λινκ που εδωσα
γινεται μια συζητηση
στο Μουσουλμανικο κοσμο
για το αν πρεπει να κανουν
σεξ γυμνοι ή με τα ρουχα καλυτερα...

Επειδη ειχα ακουσει οτι και οι
Ορθοδοξοι Εβραιοι σκεπαζαν την
γυναικα τους με ενα τρυπιο σεντονι και ετσι ευπρεπως
αναπαρήγοντο...

Εψαξα στο Ιντερνετ και
λενε οτι ειναι ενας urban legend
(περιαστικος μυθος)

Ισως το κανανε παλια...
και τωρα εκσυγχρονίστηκαν...

))Περιμενω απο τον Badlydrawnboy
))Πως πρεπει να κανουν σεξ
οι Ορθοδοξοι....

Orthodox Jews have marital relations through a hole in a sheet?

belinha said...

:-)

I would write like this:

Minhas ideias sobre o sexo impõem que estejas vestida.


Minhas ideias sobre sexo impõem que estejas despida.

Desnudada - means without clothes but we dont' use it much.We can find it in literary books but not in everyday life.

Dressed=vestida
Undressed=despida
We could use naked(nua) but despida it's better for the cartoon.

But what you wrote isn't 100% wrong.Look:

Minhas ideias sobre o sexo impõem-te a estar vestida.

Minhas ideias sobre o sexo impõem-te a estar despida.

What I wrote its not 100% good but its acceptable.It shows the main problem you had with verb.In these sentences we have the correct verb but we must correct the form of it!

.....a ser vestida

It's verb To be(I am, You are) and it can't be used here.


....a estar

It's verb "To be doing something", to stand(Well, I don't know how to explain it better!!!)

Both are what we call "Verbos auxiliares".

Is it common for Greek to learn portuguese?Dodos also knows protuguese!My young sister studied Greek in highschool and she was so good at it the teacher wanted her to choose Classic Studies in University.She didn't because no one wants to learn Greek...so she would be jobless!She got penfriends from Greece by then ...and me two!

:-)

Deepak Gopi said...

No I am not a feminist.
If I go on marrying my co -acttesses I will have to marry more 5000 times(nice joke is'nt it?).
In my opinion Indian girls are more beautiful than Kate.(true/false)
Aadmi-man,Aurat-woman,Shaadi-marriage.
How many languages do you know?

Ergotelina said...

ioannisk σου κανε ιγκνόρ..
που θα τους λες και αποικιοκρατες...

@belinha

Do you have cigarras in Portugal?

Τhank you for correcting me..

I understand grammatical
terms...

@Has your sister a blog?..
If not you must encourage
her to get one...
She speaks ancient or modern Greek?..

Ioannisk told you some things
about similarities of Greece
and Portugal

12:30 πμ, (August)Αύγουστος 11, 2006



@Deepak

english,french,german,spanish
italian...

and i try to learn portuguese now..
maybe some finnish..
from Ovi..

Don't you have cicadas in India?
You don't know these insects?..

Ergotelina said...

Deepak what about this

have you seen the film?

Unlimited Girls explores the ideas and experiences of feminism in contemporary urban India. Sameera Khan reviews Paromita Vohra's film.

mariosp said...

Αφήστε εκατό λουλούδια ν’ ανθίσουν.
Η εκλογικευμένη τζιχάντ των Δυτικών είναι εξ ίσου επικίνδυνη...

betty coltrane said...

Hello!!! This is a very good discussion space - very healty. My english is not very good, so i won't enter the discussion. But that is not necessary, Belinha is here, to defend my point of view - i'm younger, but the values are similar, i think. Well, congratulations, and continue, please! I'll be here, to read what i can! =)
******************

Μαύρος Γάτος said...

LISTEN HOW THE BLATANT RABBI GLORIFIES MURDER: "DURING TIME OF WAR, THE ENEMY HAS NO INNOCENT"

Dim. Stefosis said...

Ergotelina,
θίγεις ένα πολύ σημαντικό ζήτημα... Αλλά γιατί (με το σχεδιάκι) αναπαράγεις (ειδικά εσύ!) στερεότυπα;

Ergotelina said...

@betty coltrane
Rocker-girl
bem-vinda nova amiga !!!!
és peixe?
Eu visitarei teu aquário!
com meu rede....
eu gosto de peixes!...
...
:)



@Μαύρος Γάτος(Mavros Gatos as in portuguese Mauro Gato..Black Cat)
Rabbi said
All of the discussions on Christian morality are weakening the spirit of the army and the nation and are costing us in the blood of our soldiers and civilians," the statement said. (Efrat Weiss)


unfortunatelly...Judaism
is a closed nationalistic religion...mono-ethnic........

The morality of war...

Rabbines have fear ,because
among the soldiers of Israel
exist a pacifistic movement..

Remeber the israeli pilots that refused to bomb?....

@Dim. Stefosis

Bad timing to discuss
about gender inequality?...

because that supports Western
agressiveness...you think so?..

Besides that stereotypes and aphorisms are a little fire
for a good conversation...


@marios p said..

Let 100 flowers bloom!....

have you been Maoist?....

:)

Another bautiful quote
that was debased by Mao...

εχει γίνει αυτοκριτική;;...
...............................
:(

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Flowers_Campaign

Voltaire would also agree
with you...not with Mao..
offcourse...
:)




If you have two religions in your land, the two will cut each other's throats; but if you have thirty religions, they will live in peace.

But it is clearer still that we ought to be tolerant of one another, because we are all weak, inconsistent, liable to fickleness and error. Shall a reed laid low in the mud by the wind say to a fellow reed fallen in the opposite direction: "Crawl as I crawl, wretch, or I shall petition that you be torn up by the roots and burned?"

Voltaire’s Philosophical Dictionary, TOLERANCE

belinha said...

I read Ioannisk's comment on my comment,yes.

We have cigarras and grilos(crickets)...and snails that I like to eat while drinking fresh beer!!(All my friends disgust this gastronomic taste of mine!!)

Impossible for my sister to Blog!She hates computers.She uses it the least.Her husband does all her computer work!!That's LOVE! Eehehheeh!She studied ancient greek and this was more than 15 years ago...

dodos said...

Intense piece about gender inequality: Medea's monolog by Euripides, 431 B.C. (?).

ergo te lina, i'm sure u can add a link to it- who else if not YOU?

Ein Steppenwolf said...

belinha said...
We have cigarras and grilos(crickets)...


El grillo, el grillo è buon cantor
che tiene longo ve-e-e-e-e-e-e-erso!

ovi said...

@ belinha

Sorry ergotelinen, but I would like to know a bit more for your 'gender equality’ research in Portugal, I'm doing something similar with Somali people in Finland and I have to face two difficulties, customs and religion. Where the one stops and the other starts is my biggest confusion since the religious leaders often mix them up!!! And all that of course with them living as immigrants in a Scandinavian country!
I’m sorry my blog is in Greek because soon I'm going to write about this research and my difficulties. But I would like to hear/read a bit more on how you seperated for example those two.

FreeCyprus said...

bitmo visited me again and reminded me of this story of a young girl in Afghanistan:


Child Bride

Ergotelina said...

Kαλημερα θα απαντησω σε ολα..

Ο Μαυρος Γατος πηγε χθες στους

Lebanese bloggers και εβαλε

το link για τους Ραββίνους...

Israeli answer to Μavros Gatos...

At 9:23 AM, Omer (israeli) said...
sorry cant write your name,
Yesha,
They don't suprise me. you should know that there are alot of rabbis with alot of diffrent opinions.
Well in case of Yesha, they are small minority (mainly settlers). politicaly they are ultra-right. I could only imagine how horrific it could be if they actually controled this war.
One soldier from them, even went to jail, after refusing to fight for a goverment that will evacute them from their home (a settlment). Some of them are even bound to fight israel when we pull out of the west-bank.
To me they are extreimist like HEZ. They dont get much sympathy from the majorty of the Israeli's, thou.




Μετα η συζητηση ξεφυγε
και εφτασε στο διωγμο
των Εβραιων απο τη Θεσσαλονίκη.....
Θα βρειτε τη συζητηση στο link
του Μαυρου Γατου,που εχει
πιο πανω....

ή αλλιώς...

READ TH ORIGINAL TEXT HERE IN THE BOTTOM

from

At 9:07 AM, Μαύρος Γάτος said...

Courage, friends
REQUIEM FOR AΝ UNKNOWN BABY, FOR PEACE, AND FOR LOGIC

LISTEN HOW THE BLATANT RABBI GLORIFIES MURDER: "DURING TIME OF WAR, THE ENEMY HAS NO INNOCENT"

Ergotelina said...

See the video.Some photos have been forged.But the war we see,is it a forged lie?

Ergotelina said...

To εχει η σημερινη Ελευθεροτυπία
στην προτελευταια σελίδα


Israel responded to an unprovoked attack by Hizbullah, right? Wrong

The assault on Lebanon was premeditated - the soldiers' capture simply provided the excuse. It was also unnecessary

George Monbiot
Tuesday August 8, 2006
The Guardian

Ergotelina said...

H μεταφραση ειναι στη σελιδα "ο τυπος
των ήλων" αλλα τωρα εχει το χθεσινο
φυλλο..

)))))

Ergotelina said...

@Dodos

Thank you for reminding to me..
:)

We did not comment then on
your skillful cartoon....
i would suggest it to Euripides
Extra-vagant Scenery.............

:)
@Ovi..
Medea is not only a woman
but also an immigrant.....


Episode 2

[230] Of all creatures that have breath and sensation, we women are the most unfortunate. First at an exorbitant price we must buy a husband and master of our bodies. [This misfortune is more painful than misfortune.] [235] And the outcome of our life's striving hangs on this, whether we take a bad or a good husband. For divorce is discreditable for women and it is not possible to refuse wedlock. And when a woman comes into the new customs and practices of her husband's house, she must somehow divine, since she has not learned it at home, [240] how she shall best deal with her husband. If after we have spent great efforts on these tasks our husbands live with us without resenting the marriage-yoke, our life is enviable. Otherwise, death is preferable. A man, whenever he is annoyed with the company of those in the house, [245] goes elsewhere and thus rids his soul of its boredom [turning to some male friend or age-mate]. But we must fix our gaze on one person only. Men say that we live a life free from danger at home while they fight with the spear. [250] How wrong they are! I would rather stand three times with a shield in battle than give birth once.
But your story and mine are not the same: you have a city and a father's house, the enjoyment of life and the company of friends, [255] while I, without relatives or city, am suffering outrage from my husband. I was carried off as booty from a foreign land and have no mother, no brother, no kinsman to shelter me from this calamity. And so I shall ask from you this much as a favor: [260] if I find any means or contrivance to punish my husband for these wrongs [and the bride's father and the bride], keep my secret. In all other things a woman is full of fear, incapable of looking on battle or cold steel; [265] but when she is injured in love, no mind is more murderous than hers.


www.perseus.tufts.edu/ David Kovacs

The Story of Medea

Ergotelina said...

IS THERE A MEDEA TO SLAY
THE SONS OF WAR?..........

Ergotelina said...

@Ovi

Customs and Religion....

Somalia ...

Klitoridektomi

IS THIS HAPPENING IN FINLAND?....
by Somali immigrants?...


Cultural background

Female genital cutting is primarily a social practice, not a religious one. It is today a mainly African cultural practice. It crosses the lines of various religious groups. It is found among Muslims and Animists.

A number of reasons are put forward for the practice of FGC. These include the belief that it annuls or moderates sexual desires in women. It is also believed that it is more hygienic. Frequently the practice is associated with traditional initiation rites. Some believe religion justifies the practice.

In some cultures there exists the belief that a newborn child has elements of both sexes. In the male body the foreskin of the penis is considered to be the female element. In the female body the clitoris is considered to be the male element. Hence when the adolescent is reaching puberty, these elements are removed to make the indication of sex clear.

The operation is most often carried out by female practitioners. Thus it has been attributed by some authors to a deep-rooted fear of elder women that the more attractive younger women might seduce away their husbands and thus leave them without support.

No form of genital modification and mutilation is mentioned in the Qur'an, but only in a disputed Hadith. Even then, the hadith only permits and does not require the process. Only one of the four Islamic schools of juriprudence or law, the Shafi'i school, ordered for a "slight trimming" of the hood of the clitoris, supposedly in order to enhance sexual pleasure for the woman. Most contemporary scholars reject it completely.

In Saudi Arabia (Hijaz), where Islam originated, FGC was practised during the life-time of Muhammad. To call a man a "circumciser of women" was an insult among the pagan Arabs at the time.

In Shia Islam, the practice of female circumcision has never been to remove the clitoris, and this form is outlawed by all leading Marjas that intepret Sharia traditions. The main form of surgery is to remove a small piece of the hood over the clitoris in order to increase sexual pleasure. This act is considered Mustahab and not Wajib or compulsory. In countries such as Iran, where the majority is of this school of thought, this practice in reducing the hood is common.

Some Muslim scholars believe FGC is practiced as a result of ignorance and misconceived religious fervor rather than for reasons of true religious doctrine--and any religious basis for the practice is denied. Many Arab Muslims interpret different passages as being in opposition to FGC, and believe the practice to be un-Islamic.

Shaykh Faraz Rabbani of SunniPath states "As for excision, FGC, or other harmful practices [including that which take sexual pleasure away from women], which have become culturally widespread, none of these are in any way permitted." Amnesty International asserts that "FGC predates Islam and is not practised by the majority of Muslims, but has acquired a religious dimension."

A few others, like the Egyptian Mufti Sheikh Jad Al-Hâqq 'Ali Jad Al-Hâqq issued, in 1994, a fatwa stating: "Circumcision is mandatory for men and for women. If the people of any village decide to abandon it, the [village] imam must fight against them as if they had abandoned the call to prayer." Al-Azhar University has issued fatwas in 1949, 1951 and 1981 which endorsed the practice. [Gad-al-hak: Khitan al banat, pp. 3119-3125, in Sami A. Aldeeb, Mutiler, Institut Suisse de Droit Comparé, 1993, p. 191.] However, in March 2005, Dr Ahmend Talib, Dean of the Faculty of Sharia, Al Azhar University, Cairo, said: "All practices of female circumcision and mutilation are crimes and have no relationship with Islam. Whether it involves the removal of the skin or the cutting of the flesh of the female genital organs...it is not an obligation in Islam."

In September 1998, both Christian and Muslim leaders publicly denounced the practice

female genital mutilation (FGM)WIKIPEDIA

Ergotelina said...

@FreeCyprus

Thank you for the link
about the afghani girl

@Ovi...

Do you think that in the
next future in Finland
there will be a Somali Feminist
woman like Ayaan Hirsi Ali in Holland?





Ayaan Hirsi Ali Interviewed On Channel 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b04pjSiTWUQ&mode=related&search=

Kαι 2 ελληνικα links

http://athens.indymedia.org/front.php3?lang=en&article_id=539081
http://e-roosters.blogspot.com/2006/05/h.html

Ergotelina said...

As i said there are israeli
pilots that refuse to bomb
civilians

here is the link
i took it from
http://hellenic-reporter.blogspot.com/





Wednesday, August 9th, 2006
Fmr. Israeli Air Force Captain Reports Israeli Pilots Deliberately Missing Targets Over Concerns of Civilian Casualties

Listen to Segment || Download Show mp3 www.democracynow.org

Ergotelina said...

"Man is born free, and everywhere he is in chains."

Ergotelina said...

i wonder if there is a Hezbullah

Katyusha-shooter that has refused

to bomb
because he concerns

on human casualties..............
..................................

betty coltrane said...

Hello, i'm back! ;) Thank's for the sugestion, i realy DO LOVE MUSIC! Human League is cool. I will ear the rest latter, i promisse. You look like a very curious and modern girl, always on top of the current issues of the world - whitch is very good! I really don't feel very confortable wrighting in english - but i do love to discuss such matters, so i will be here, reading and judging! ;)

About the statue - i realy love it! In portuguese is " O Beijo " - beso is spanish. It's not very far, is it? :)

I hope you can read my blog in the future, if you are learnig portuguese, and ask all you want, i'll help in what i can!

Big Kiss, see you soon! :*

betty coltrane said...

:)

Just love it!(hum, i think i'm using this word too much! I find english words a little confining...)

Anyway, in portuguese, the film received the title: O despertar da mente. But that means: the dawn of the mind.
A literal translation of "eternal sunshine of the spotles mind" would be more like this: o amanhecer eterno da mente imaculada/limpa/pura. Amanhecer, because it mentions the sun light, not any other. You could also say "o brilho eterno", but in that case, it could be aplied to any light. In the end of the sentence, i put tree words, because all of them mean clean, spotless. In this case, it would be a personal choice, an estetic one. So, it's a free translation.

This is the one i prefer:

"O eterno amanhecer da mente pura".

=)

Ergotelina said...

@Sereia
da interneta

obrigado para lembram-me esta película..


Um beijo grande por te demasiado!..






((HAGAI TAMIR,ISRAELI PILOT
THAT ALSO REFUSED TO BOMB
A SCHOOL))


«Ούτε εμείς υπολογίζουμε τους δικούς μας αμάχους»

ΣΥΝΕΝΤΕΥΞΗ στον ΝΙΚΟΛΑ ΚΑΤΖΗΛΑΚΗ




Ο κ. Χαγκάι Ταμίρ υπηρέτησε στην ισραηλινή αεροπορία για περίπου 20 χρόνια, ώς το 1988. Κατά τη διάρκεια της θητείας του κλήθηκε να πάρει μέρος στις περισσότερες συγκρούσεις που διεξήγαγε ο ισραηλινός στρατός. Σταδιακά, η αποστροφή του προς τις πρακτικές της ισραηλινής αεροπορίας μεγάλωνε, με αποκορύφωμα τον προηγούμενο πόλεμο του Λιβάνου, όταν κλήθηκε να βομβαρδίσει έναν μη στρατιωτικό στόχο.

Ο αρχιτέκτονας στο επάγγελμα κ. Ταμίρ διέκρινε ότι επρόκειτο για σχολείο. Προφασιζόμενος κάποιο τεχνικό πρόβλημα, γύρισε στη βάση του, όπου έπειτα από ανάκριση παραδέχτηκε ότι δεν θα χτυπούσε ποτέ έναν τέτοιο στόχο. Η σχέση του με το στράτευμα έκτοτε δεν θα ήταν ποτέ η ίδια. Αποφάσισε να ξαναγυρίσει στην αεροπορία μόνο όταν ο Αριέλ Σαρόν αποπέμφθηκε από τη θέση του υπουργού Αμυνας για τους χειρισμούς του σε εκείνο τον πόλεμο.

ένα τοπικό συνοριακό επεισόδιο. Οπως συμβαίνει μεταξύ Ινδίας - Πακιστάν ή και αλλού. Η Χεζμπολάχ έκανε μια επίθεση στη εθνική κυριαρχία μας στα σύνορα. Το Ισραήλ έπρεπε να το είχε αποτρέψει αυτό. Δεν έπρεπε να είχε συμβεί. Ο στρατός μας σε εκείνη την περιοχή ήταν πολύ οκνηρός. Για έναν στρατό που θέλει να λέγεται στρατός, τέτοια περιστατικά δεν πρέπει να συμβαίνουν. Και η απάντηση έπρεπε να είναι τοπική και περιορισμένη, και θα έπρεπε να διαπραγματευτούμε με τον οποιονδήποτε για μια ανταλλαγή φυλακισμένους. Γι' αυτόν το λόγο κρατάμε χιλιάδες φυλακισμένων. Το καλύτερο θα ήταν να γίνει μια διαπραγμάτευση για να απελευθερωθούν οι στρατιώτες μας και οι χιλιάδες Παλαιστίνιοι και Λιβανέζοι. Δεν μας χρειάζεται να τους κρατάμε στις ισραηλινές φυλακές. Δεν βλέπω τι κερδίζουμε από αυτό. Αλλά ακόμη και εάν θέλαμε έναν πόλεμο με τη Χεζμπολάχ, ας το κάναμε σε χρόνο που εμείς θα διαλέγαμε. Η παρούσα απόφαση ήταν πολύ βεβιασμένη».


- Γιατί δεν διαμαρτύρονται λοιπόν;

«Πρέπει να καταλάβετε δύο πράγματα. Η ισραηλινή κοινωνία συνολικά είναι πολύ συμβατική. Οι άνθρωποι εδώ εκπαιδεύονται για να υπηρετήσουν στο στρατό και να προστατεύσουν την πατρίδα μας, αυτή είναι η υπέρτατη αξία. Είναι πολύ δύσκολο να διαμαρτυρηθεί ένας στρατευμένος, και για τους νέους είναι πολύ σκληρό. Διαμαρτυρήθηκα και αρνήθηκα να χτυπήσω πολιτικό στόχο όταν έγινα 40 χρόνων, όταν γεννιόταν το πρώτο μου παιδί κατά τον πόλεμο του '82. Πριν από αυτή μου την πράξη πίστευα τα ίδια πράγματα, αλλά δεν μπορούσα να το διαδηλώσω. Οπότε το κοινωνικό περιβάλλον, η ηλικία και το ότι η Πολεμική Αεροπορία κάνει αυστηρή επιλογή του προσωπικού, είναι οι βασικοί λόγοι. Διότι δεν μπορεί να φτιαχτεί μια τέτοια πολεμική μηχανή χωρίς προσωπικό αφοσιωμένο στην αποστολή του».

(Enet.gr)

Deepak Gopi said...

I dont kow that insect.
I am hearing the name of the film and the Director for the First time.
In India documentaries and short films are not shown commercially through theatres.Only through film society screenings viewers could see such stuff.
A mix of songs+dance+Sentiments +humour+Action+DeepakGopi only could
make a film successful in Box Office
there will be a newpost tomorrow.

Ergotelina said...

@Tum Kaham Ho
Kaham?



Kalimera! Good Day!

1.Are you writing in India
your language in latin
characters?...

2.The film "Unlimited Girls"
maybe is out of Bollywood
stream...that's why you
don't know about...
You intend to get an Oscar..
so you like the
mainstream films...

:)



Searching about Aadmi-Aurat-Feminism in India

i found these interesting blogs..

in the second,a boy is writing

i learned what is Rakhi राखी in Devanāgarī.......
Do you celebrate Rakhi tradition
?

:)



http://sthreeling.blogspot.com/

http://sillysod.blogspot.com/

Ergotelina said...

Η SHIRIN NESHAT


μια Ιρανή καλλιτέχνης, είναι μια από τις πλέον σημαντικές σύγχρονες καλλιτέχνιδες που δουλεύουν σήμερα.
Θα ήταν δύσκολο για την Shirin Neshat να πει πού είναι "ο τόπος της".
Η Neshat γεννήθηκε στο Ιράν το 1957. Το 1974, πέντε χρόνια πριν την εξέγερση του 1979 στην χώρα της, πήγε στην Αμερική για να σπουδάσει καλές τέχνες στο πανεπιστήμιο του Berkeley στην Καλιφόρνια και αργότερα το 1983 μετακόμισε στην Νέα Υόρκη. Λόγω της Ιρανικής επανάστασης δεν μπόρεσε να γυρίσει στο Ιράν μέχρι το 1990.
Όταν επισκέφτηκε πάλι την γενέτειρα της ανακάλυψε μια χώρα που είχε αλλάξει τελείως. Η Neshat επηρεάστηκε βαθιά από την ριζική αλλαγή της χώρας της και ξεκίνησε να εξερευνεί το Ισλάμ μέσα από την τέχνη της.
Η καλλιτεχνική της καριέρα ξεκίνησε πραγματικά στα μέσα του 1990. Κατάφερε να αναγνωριστεί παγκοσμίως ως φωτογράφος, όταν τάραξε την κοινή γνώμη με την σειρά φωτογραφιών «Γυναίκες του Αλλάχ». Στις φωτογραφίες της αυτές χρησιμοποιεί αποσπάσματα από ποιήματα σύγχρονων λογοτεχνών, όπως της Forough Farokhzad, Tahereh Saffarazdeh γραμμένα στα Περσικά , τυπωμένα απευθείας στις επιφάνειες των ασπρόμαυρων φωτογραφιών με μαύρο ή κόκκινο μελάνι.



Σε πολλές από τις φωτογραφίες οι γυναίκες κρατούν όπλα.
Ο λόγος που κρατούν όπλα είναι, όπως είπε η ίδια σε μια συνέντευξη που έδωσε στο New York Times, πως αναφέρεται στο ζήτημα της επανάστασης και στο γεγονός ότι δεν μπορούμε να διαχωρίσουμε ιδέες της θρησκείας και της πνευματικότητας από την πολιτική και την βία. Έχει να κάνει πολύ με αυτήν την ιδέα του μαρτυρίου, η οποία μπορεί να ταυτιστεί με την τρομοκρατία. « Προσπαθώ να παρουσιάσω αυτό το παράδοξο όπου ένας τυπικός μάρτυρας βρίσκεται στο όριο της αγάπης του Θεού, της αφοσίωσης και της πίστης από την μια, του εγκλήματος, της σκληρότητας και της βίας από την άλλη…
Είναι πρόθυμοι να εκτελέσουν ένα έγκλημα γιατί αγαπούν τον Θεό. Αυτό είναι μια τόσο παράξενη ιδεολογία που μπορεί να κατανοηθεί μόνο από την Ισλαμική άποψη. Αν δει κανείς την ιστορία τους… η εμμονή τους με τον θάνατο και η απόρριψη του υλικού κόσμου. Ζεις όλη σου την ζωή για να προάγεις το Ισλάμ και όταν πεθάνεις σε επιβραβεύουν. Οπότε σε συγχαίρουν για τον θάνατό σου, κάτι το οποίο είναι μια πολύ παράξενη νοοτροπία».

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Ergotelina said...

SHIRIT NESHAT



(born 1957, Qazvin, Iran) is a contemporary visual artist who lives in New York. She left Iran at age 17 to attend art school in Los Angeles, and first returned to her homeland after sixteen years. Her work refers to the social, cultural and religious codes of Muslim societies, and the complexity of certain oppositions, such as man and woman. Neshat often emphasizes this theme with the technique of showing two or more coordinated films concurrently.

Ergotelina said...

Sex in orthodox christian rules

Η εκτός γάμου συνουσία, με άλλα λόγια οι προγαμιαίες σχέσεις, συνιστούν το κανονικό αδίκημα της πορνείας. Ο άνδρας που διαπράττει το αδίκημα χαρακτηρίζεται πόρνος και η γυναίκα πόρνη. Προσβάλλοντας την ιερότητα της επιτρεπόμενης στο πλαίσιο του γάμου σαρκικής συνομιλίας των δύο φύλων, η πορνεία επισύρει διαφορετική τιμωρία για ιερείς και λαϊκούς. Συγκεκριμένα, ο ιερέας που υποπίπτει στο αμάρτημα της πορνείας καθαιρείται. Πρεσβύτερος ή διάκονος που φίλησε γυναίκα ("δους εμπαθές φίλημα") και μίανε τα χείλη του ("εν χείλεσι μιανθείς") τιμωρείται με αργία, η διάρκεια της οποίας καθορίζεται κατά περίπτωση. Καθαίρεση περιμένει, αντιθέτως, τον κληρικό που προχωρά την ανήθικη πράξη πέραν του φιλήματος, καθώς και εκείνον που χρησιμοποιεί τα χείλη του για να προβεί σε ακόλαστη πράξη με γυναίκα. Καθαιρείται επίσης και ο έγγαμος υποδιάκονος, αν αποκαλυφθεί ότι συνουσιάστηκε με τη γυναίκα του πριν από το γάμο. Μοναχός ή μοναχή που διέπραξε το αδίκημα της πορνείας τιμωρείται με απλό αφορισμό επτά ετών και δεν κατατάσσεται ποτέ στον κλήρο.

Οι ονειρώξεις απαγορεύονται ρητά από το εκκλησιαστικό δίκαιο, εκτός κι αν οφείλονται σε νόσο ή άλλη φυσική αιτία. Αν αιτία της είναι η "βραδινή οινοποσία, η πολυφαγία ή ο πονηρός λογισμός", η ονείρωξη θεωρείται ότι έχει εξασφαλίσει τη συγκατάθεση του ενδιαφερομένου, ο οποίος ως εκ τούτου οφείλει να τιμωρηθεί με απομάκρυνση από την κοινωνία των πιστών για μία ημέρα, να ψάλει τον Ν' Ψαλμό και να τελέσει 49 γονυκλισίες.

Σοβαρότερα είναι τα πράγματα στην περίπτωση του αυνανισμού. Αν ένας κληρικός προκαλέσει την έκκριση του σπέρματός του με αυτόν τον τρόπο, τιμωρείται με αργία ενός έτους. Φτάνει, βέβαια, να κόψει τη συνήθειά του: αν την ασκεί κατ' εξακολούθηση, τότε καθαιρείται. Αν ο αυνανιζόμενος είναι λαϊκός ή μοναχός, τότε τιμωρείται με απλό αφορισμό σαράντα ημερών, τις οποίες πρέπει να περάσει με ξηροφαγία και εκατό γονυκλισίες ημερησίως. Διπλάσια ως προς τις ημέρες του αφορισμού και της ξηροφαγίας, αλλά ίδια ως προς τον αριθμό των γονυκλισιών, είναι τέλος η τιμωρία εκείνου που συμμετείχε σε αμοιβαίο αυνανισμό ("διπλήν εργαζόμενος την μαλακίαν").

Ergotelina said...

PREMARITAL SEX.

The Orthodox Christian Faith firmly holds to the biblical teaching that sexual intercourse is reserved for marriage. Sex is a gift of God to be fully enjoyed and experienced only within mar­riage. The marriage bed is to be kept "undefiled" (He­brews 13:4), and men and women are called to remain celibate outside of marriage. Our sexuality, like many other things about us human beings, affects our rela­tionship with God, ourselves, and others. It may be employed as a means of glorifying God and fulfilling His image in us, or it may be perverted and abused as an instrument of sin, causing great damage to us and others. Saint Paul writes, "Do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body . . ." (1 Corinthians 6:19, 20).

Ergotelina said...

Judaism regards sex as being similar to eating and drinking. Eating and drinking are natural and
potentially beneficial bodily functions. If done improperly, eating and drinking can become hurtful and shameful.

If done properly, eating and drinking can be satiating and joyful.

If done according to God's commandments (with blessings, a festive meal on Purim, four cups of wine on Passover ...), the mundane acts of eating and drinking can even be elevated to holy acts.

Likewise, Judaism sees improper sex as illicit and sinful, but proper sex as a sanctified act. Jewish Law provides guidelines for proper sexual relations.



Sex in Judaism
What does Judaism's view on sex?

Ergotelina said...

WOMEN IN ISLAM VERSUS WOMEN IN THE
JUDAEO-CHRISTIAN TRADITION:
THE MYTH & THE REALITY
By Dr. Sherif Abdel Azeem

................
UNDERSTANDING ISLAM




PART ONE

1. INTRODUCTION 2. EVE'S FAULT 3. EVE'S LEGACY 4. SHAMEFUL DAUGHTERS 5. FEMALE EDUCATION 6. UNCLEAN IMPURE WOMAN
7. BEARING WITNESS 8. ADULTERY 9. VOWS 10. WIFE'S PROPERTY
11. DIVORCE

PART TWO

12. MOTHERS 13. FEMALE INHERITANCE 14. PLIGHT OF WIDOWS 15. POLYGAMY 16. THE VEIL
17. EPILOGUE and Notes


.......................



Five years ago, I read in the Toronto Star issue of July 3, 1990 an article titled "Islam is not alone in patriarchal doctrines", by Gwynne Dyer. The article described the furious reactions of the participants of a conference on women and power held in Montreal to the comments of the famous Egyptian feminist Dr. Nawal Saadawi. Her "politically incorrect" statements included : "the most restrictive elements towards women can be found first in Judaism in the Old Testament then in Christianity and then in the Quran"; "all religions are patriarchal because they stem from patriarchal societies"; and "veiling of women is not a specifically Islamic practice but an ancient cultural heritage with analogies in sister religions".

The participants could not bear sitting around while their faiths were being equated with Islam. Thus, Dr. Saadawi received a barrage of criticism. "Dr. Saadawi's comments are unacceptable. Her answers reveal a lack of understanding about other people's faiths," declared Bernice Dubois of the World Movement of Mothers. "I must protest" said panellist Alice Shalvi of Israel women's network, "there is no conception of the veil in Judaism." The article attributed these furious protests to the strong tendency in the West to scapegoat Islam for practices that are just as much a part of the West's own cultural heritage. "Christian and Jewish feminists were not going to sit around being discussed in the same category as those wicked Muslims," wrote Gwynne Dyer.

I was not surprised that the conference participants had held such a negative view of Islam, especially when women's issues were involved. In the West, Islam is believed to be the symbol of the subordination of women par excellence. In order to understand how firm this belief is, it is enough to mention that the Minister of Education in France, the land of Voltaire, has recently ordered the expulsion of all young Muslim women wearing the veil from French schools!1 A young Muslim student wearing a headscarf is denied her right of education in France, while a Catholic student wearing a cross or a Jewish student wearing a skullcap is not. The scene of French policemen preventing young Muslim women wearing headscarves from entering their high school is unforgettable.

It inspires the memories of another equally disgraceful scene of Governor George Wallace of Alabama in 1962 standing in front of a school gate trying to block the entrance of black students in order to prevent the desegregation of Alabama's schools. The difference between the two scenes is that the black students had the sympathy of so many people in the U.S. and in the whole world. President Kennedy sent the U.S. National Guard to force the entry of the black students. The Muslim girls, on the other hand, received no help from any one. Their cause seems to have very little sympathy either inside or outside France. The reason is the widespread misunderstanding and fear of anything Islamic in the world today.
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17. EPILOGUE

The one question all the non-Muslims, who had read an earlier version of this study, had in common was: do Muslim women in the Muslim world today receive this noble treatment described here? The answer, unfortunately, is: No.

Muslim societies have, to one degree or another, deviated from the ideals of Islam with respect to the status of women.
These deviations have, for the most part, been in one of two opposite directions. The first direction is more conservative, restrictive, and traditions-oriented, while the second is more liberal and Western-oriented....................

On the other hand, there are Muslim societies (or certain classes within some societies) that have been swept over by the Western culture and way of life. These societies often imitate unthinkingly whatever they receive from the West and usually end up adopting the worst fruits of Western civilization. In these societies, a typical "modern" woman's top priority in life is to enhance her physical beauty. Therefore, she is often obsessed with her body's shape, size, and weight. She tends to care more about her body than her mind and more about her charms than her intellect. Her ability to charm, attract, and excite is more valued in the society than her educational achievements, intellectual pursuits, and social work. One is not expected to find a copy of the Quran in her purse since it is full of cosmetics that accompany her wherever she goes. Her spirituality has no room in a society preoccupied with her attractiveness. Therefore, she would spend her life striving more to realize her femininity than to fulfil her humanity................
....................................
`~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Islam still has so much to offer today's woman: dignity, respect, and protection in all aspects and all stages of her life from birth until death in addition to the recognition, the balance, and means for the fulfilment of all her spiritual, intellectual, physical, and emotional needs.

That's why it is no surprise to find that most converts to Islam, today, in a country like Britain are women.

In the U.S. women converts to Islam outnumber men converts 4 to 1

..............................

Mauricio said...

Olá tudo bem?

Um domingo de manhã e eu aqui visitando o seu blog, espero que esteja tudo bem!!

Muito bom o trabalho com o Dodos!!!

Parabéns

Bom domingo

belinha said...

Hello!!

Catholic Church does not approve on our present Ministry of Education Project on Sexual Education. Says that is lacks ethic on values. Also that it does not contemplate different cultures and world religions and that it proclaims family inability to deal with sexuality and that school isn’t the option to solve this. School can’t replace father and mother role. It’s often mentioned that family has a conservative way on sexuality thinking that to bring sex discussion to early age will induce random sexual behaviour. Church is also saying that our Constitution states that parents have the right to choose a child education so State can’t command on sexuality Project to be mandatory. Sexuality programme is too focused on health and biological issues and forgets about psychological issues and individual inner development. Also invokes that at teachers will have a lot of different opinion according to individual background and mentality and accordingly to it on what notions to transmit to pupils. To be a competent teacher is not enough on this matter Church is saying. This is actual debate in Portugal.
Sexual education is seen a fundamental right to education since 1984. It was said then that should be carried out by schools, media, and health institutions. In 2001 we had specific legislation on sexual education in schools published. It is not a subject like Portuguese, Maths or English. It’s transverse to many subjects, it can be a project developed in class. It can take place in training sessions performed by invited institutions exterior to school. Every school must include Sexual Education in curricula but has autonomy to choose the best way to do it considering each context- teachers, resources, community, parents and school project.
I think that Portuguese society and most schools agree on Sexual Education necessity but things never run smoothly. Consensus is difficult to achieve. Government had some erratic action. Here and there Media comes out with news on how chaotic sexual education is in school. Denies from Government follow and more discussion. Why the need for it? Portugal has a lot of pregnancy adolescents, high levels of sexual transmitted diseases (not including HIV, I don’t now the numbers.) We might even think of sexual abuse and exploration – there’s a big trial going on about paedophilia concerning public figures and boys’ education institution. Bonds amongst individuals are less resistant as society got more competitive, aggressive and individualistic. Society has also to consider high percentage of divorces which means family instability. It’s obvious that family orientation of the matter isn’t working. Neither Church´s intervention next to our religious youngsters. I agree that family should be dealing with it. But we do know that lots of families are dysfunctional nowadays. Some individuals have no parental competencies and this is a reality that Church can’t deny. I worked with these families so I know what I’m saying. I also know that to have a lot of information on flyers, Internet, whatever, means nothing. There’s information, there’s access to information, and there’s understanding the meaning of it and use it. On the other hand modern life is throwing children and youngsters to school and care facilities many hours of the day. For other less fortunate children we have pear risky groups in the street or neighbourhood (and television. Media isn’t doing a good work on promoting values of on any kind!! )The group of school buddies are more attitude shaping and information source than family. It seems that Church sometimes forget that evolution took over life and its making it not so black and white but full of grey areas. We have to consider general public health…of body and mind. Our youngsters can’t afford to be reckless these days. So family, school, church should really do something in order to help them to grow into more enlightened, affective and responsible persons.
But one thing is Church other is what catholic are saying. I read that there is no confirmation on the fact that religious people are against sexual education. They may not be at ease with it but they are not against it. Most parents agree that school should teach on biological aspects of sex. They are reluctant about school capacity to reassure values that should be apprehended within family sphere, there is, they fear that emotional aspects are undervalued as Sexual Education could become just another subject of the curricula - more knowledge and nothing else.
I think that we still haven’t a clear view on the situation because we still lack detailed studies on a lot social elements. Till now many schools didn’t carry out the law. Some schools ignore it. I remember a lot of discussion of teachers if having or having not capacity to deal with Sexual Education. A Portuguese language teacher that is my friend entrusted me that she did not feel at ease with exploring sexual content in the class. I believe there are a lot like her.

Ergotelina said...

Οla la.. bemvindo...@Mauricio

Bom noite

bom Segunda-feira....

bons collaboraçaos!...


@Βelinha

you must be a good lawyer...

a social worker and thinker
...))))

We have similarities on this
issue.

The church is against sexual
education.
(instrução sexual na escola)
The Ministry has put it on
pilot-programms,in little
schools.
There are a few specialized
teachers on this theme.


For the greek readers
they can see the blog
of a young greek teacher
Marilina(Μαριλίνα)
Ανησυχίες και καταθέσεις
Anisihies ke katathésis
Concerns and evidences

Σεξουαλική διαπαιδαγώγηση - πότε επιτέλους;

Ergotelina said...

Gender Relations through Technology

Innovative CD ROM applies the potential of multimedia to the sensitive area of sexual education
in Greece


but
mister Pateli say that in the hypothetical scenario even if all Greek schools were equipped with computers, implementing the project would be difficult because there are not enough computer-literate teachers. "New technologies are gendered as are teachers. 90 percent of school teachers are female while in primary school the number is close to 100 percent. Of the overall computer users in Greece only 20 percent are women."

dodos said...

Στα χέρια τών γυναικών βρίσκεται η ανατροφή και εκπαίδευση παιδιών και εφήβων.
Είτε ως μάνες, είτε ως δασκάλες/καθηγήτριες σε όλες τις βαθμίδες, υπερτερούν αριθμητικά από τους άνδρες στις θέσεις που μπορούν να μεταδώσουν αρχές και αξίες.
Τεράστια δύναμη...

belinha said...

:-)Ergotelina: I quit pratice a long time ago and stop working with social intervention programmes last year. I never enjoy legal work but as a consequence of my academic past I tend to pay attencion and follow events and legislation that conforms it. I don't have a regular job now.I allways worked as free lance artist and I would like to do it permanently for the rest of my life.But an artist must be a solitary person as criation is a solitary task.I was allways very in the middle of people, working teams,dynamics, projects. I miss that already.I was a better thinker.I used to read a lot.Now I'm getting lazy.Even my english is rusty.It's a shame.I saw the article on CD Rom and it seems a good effort.Pedagogical approach tools allways catch my eye.

Omni said...

Hello from the USA!! :-)

Deepak Gopi said...
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Deepak Gopi said...

Kalimera
Mein Yahham hoom(I am here)
Each state in India has its own language.It is all derived from Sankrit language and has got its own script.
It is said that the most difficult among Indian languages to learn is Malayalam.
Raksha Bandhan is not practiced in southern parts of India.
Success in Bollywood ensures every thing in life.Are u a Journalist?

Ergotelina said...

an internet journalist
you can say..

What you teach me is
Sanskrit or Malayalam?..

i think Sanskrit


there in Thiruvananthapuram
in the southern point of India
you can hear from the opposite side
the screams of Civil War in Sri Lanka...

:(
i ll make you war journalist...
:)

Success in Hollywood ensures every thing in life...

Your co-actress Kate Winslet knows that.
:)


Belinha,Deepak,Moni,Dodos

Have you seen the
anglo-indian film
Bend it like Beckam?

Deepak Gopi said...

I teach you Hindi.
75% 0f Hindi is from Sanskrit.
Sanskrit now is a dead language,it is not used in communication.
I dont like Hinglish movies.
For Your Information -I teach Journalism and Mass communication in a college here.
If miracle happens and God is with meI will become an actor like Tom Cruise in HollyWood.
First let me conquer Bolly Wood.

ioannisk said...

@ergo
Το μαγαζί σου έγινε πολύ mutli και δεν έχω τα προσόντα να το διαβάζω (Πορτογαλλικά σε λίηο και Χίντι;). ααααχχχχχ :)

Joshua said...

Congratulations for your blog. I'll be waitting for a visit of yours.

A Friend

Joaquim

Muslim Woman for Islam said...

1. The Bible Convicts Women as the original
Sinners, (ie. Eve picking from the forbidden
tree){Genesis 2:4-3:24}. The Koran Clarifies it
was Adam Not Eve {Qur'an 7:19-25}

2. The Bible says "The Birth of a Daughter is a
loss" {Ecclesiasticus 22:3}. The Qur'an says both
are an Equal Blessing { Qur'an 42:49}

3. The Bible Forbids Women from Speaking in
church {I Corinthians 14:34-35}. The Qur'an says
Women Can argue with the Prophet {58:1}

4. In the Bible, divorced Women are Labeled as
an Adulteress, while men are not {Matthew 5:31-32}. The
Koran does Not have Biblical double standards
{ Qur'an 30:21}

5. In The Bible, Widows and Sisters do Not
Inherit Any Property or Wealth, Only men
do{Numbers 27:1-11}The Koran Abolished this
male greediness { Qur'an 4:22} and God Protects
All.

6. The Bible Allows Multiple Wives{I Kings 11:3}
In The Koran, God limits the number to 4 only
under certain situations (with the Wife's
permission)and Prefers you Marry Only One
Wife{ Qur'an 4:3} The Koran gives the Woman
the Right to Choose who to Marry.

7. "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not
pledged to be married and rapes her and they are
discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty
shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he
has violated her. He can never divorce her as long
as he lives" {Deuteronomy 22:28-30}

One must ask a simple question here, who is
really punished, the man who raped the woman or
the woman who was raped? According to the
Bible, you have to spend the Rest of Your Life
with the man who Raped You.

The Prophet Muhammad Says {Volume 9, Book
86, Number 101} Narrated by Aisha:" It is
essential to have the consent of a virgin (for the
marriage)".

Would the Christian men Reading this prefer the
Women they know to Be Christian or Muslim?

8. The Bible also asks Women to wear veils as in
Islam {I Corinthians 11:3-10}, this lowers the
chance of rape, (God Forbid), see statistic link
below.

9. Women were given rights to Vote less than a
100 years ago in the (US), while the Quran (42:38) gave
Women Voting rights almost 1,500 years ago.

10. Islam has unconfined Women and has given them
the human right to reach for the sky. There have been
Muslim Women Presidents through out the centuries,
but to this date, the oppressive mentality of the
men in the Western U.S.A. has stopped any Women from becoming
Presidents in predominately Christian countries,
while the Muslim countries have voted for and
elected Female Presidents.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/4229/women.html

belinha said...

No I did not watch Bendam like Beckam.I stick to animation features these days,eheheh!:-)

naturalissima said...

Olá

Foi uma boa surpresa passar pelo meu blog e lá ter deixado palavras simpaticas, em português. Não tenha problema, porque entendi tudo muito bem!
Já aqui eu tenho um grande problema, só entendo o inglês!!! Mas não faz mal.... Sinto-me bem em visitar-te e de te conhecer.

Qual é a tua nacionalidade?
És grega?

Eu sou Portuguesa, mas nasci em Moçambique.
Vivo há 11 anos em Lisboa.

Deixo-te aqui um beijinho
e o desejo de uma boa semana
Daniela

Joshua said...

Ergo te lina, Acrídio é a designação geral da espécie; fui ver num dicionário de latim e descobri que a palavra remete para uma espécie de planta trepadeira, Escamónea, e penso que o insecto absorveu na sua designação essas características por analogia.

Beijos

Joshua said...

Ergo te lina, people should be alowed to express themselfs also sexualy just as the rainbow has many colours. Muslims kill in name of moral standards, do they not? Women suffer lappidation if adultresses, but sex is a matter that concerns individuals only.

It's time to live and let live.

To respect life allways. Life is good in Portugal and generaly in western nations. No war for religion, for moral, for nothing.

betty coltrane said...

Uf, i get tired just from reading all this... Need time to think... Can't process information... LOL!

I'll be back latter!

Beijo grande, amiga! :)

Ergotelina said...

@Ioannisk
Πως φαίνεται ο γαλλόφιλος...
ο αλλεργικος εις την αγγλικήν....

Και μετα θελουμε και πολυ-πολιτισμό tromara mas!
:()................................

:)
si nous parlons français sera-t-il plus parfait à vous ?
:)

@Naturalissima
Mozambique!!!...
that sounds exotic
and very interesting!...

Io sono Greca...
:)

era Desigualdade de Gênero
em Moçambique?


eu recomendo-te um blogger grego que viva e ame Moçambique
http://afriki.blogspot.com/

@Joshua
1.I searched it...
Acridium derives of greek origin
In Latin Cricket is Gryllus
that s why in portuguese and spanish
grillo.....
akris-akritha-akrizo the ancient
greek verb..that means to move like
a cricket,to walk on the tip toes
in modern greek -akri- the tip-

2.

No war for religion, for moral, for nothing....in West..
we had enough in the past...
Voltaire reminds that to us..

Maybe in Portugal you have the
gift to be isolated from the
crisis-zones of the planet
like North Ireland,Balkans
(those are in West..)

@Sereia
da interneta


compreendo que começas a cansar-se assim que eu prometo um presente relaxante
:)

Ergotelina said...

Here is a good description
about Nasrallah

Neil MacFarquhar
The New York Times

he also — very unusually — cracks jokes.

Prof. Nizar Hamzeh, who teaches international relations at the American University of Kuwait and has written a book on Hezbollah, recalled a Nasrallah speech from last year, given while Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was in the region. A helicopter happened to clatter overhead at some point while he was criticizing United States meddling, and the sheik quipped, “You might be able to catch a glimpse of her now; I hope she sees us as well.” The crowd roared.

He has never pushed hard-line Islamic rules like veils for women in the neighborhoods that Hezbollah controls, which analysts attribute to his exposure to many of Lebanon’s 17 sects.

Born in 1960 in Beirut, Sheik Nasrallah grew up in the Karanteena district of eastern Beirut, a mixed neighborhood of impoverished Christian Armenians, Druse, Palestinians and Shiites.

His father had a small vegetable stand, but the 1975 eruption of the civil war forced the family to flee to their native southern village

naturalissima said...

Thanks, my frind.
The new blog has got wonderfull fotographics from mozambique, but i can`t understand the linguage. Hehheheeheheh...
kisses
Daniela

Ergotelina said...

@Daniela
Maybe he speaks some Portuguese..

is the portugeuse in Mozambique
different from Lisboa?..




@Joshua

Militant Islam is the problem
Moderate Islam is the solution

dodos said...

"Bend it like Beckam"? I've seen it twice! Funny, smart, AND a sensitive look at current problems...

Joshua said...

Ergo te lina, obrigado pela pesquisa. Foi-me imensamente preciosa, útil e complementar ao que já sabia e te disse. Sabes, nada se faz sem o Grego. Nada se faz sem o Latim (clássicos).

Alguns pensam-nas, a essas línguas, mortas, mas não compreendem como palpitam ainda nas nossas leituras, e permanecem, porque mutação não é desaparecimento, no grego moderno, nas línguas novilatinas.

Poeticamente, isso é de uma riqueza estonteante que eu só desejo aproveitar.

Muitos Bejos

joshuaquim

ioannisk said...

@ergo
Όλο με κατηγορείς!
Με αποκαλείς αποικιοκράτη, μου λες πως απευφχάνομαι (πως γράφεται;;;) τα Αγγλικά, πως είμαι ένας "intelectual" όταν στην χώρα μας αυτός ο χαρακτηρισμός είναι μία βρισιά!

Και όμως μου είναι πλέον ποιο εύκολο να γράψω στα Αγγλικά, lingua franca της εποχής μας, παρά στα Ελληνικά ή στα Γαλλικά.

Λοιπόν εσύ που είσαι το ένβιο google τoy blogger θα μου πεις πως ονομάζεται η Όμορφη Ιταλίδα που έχω στο blog μου (αλλά όχι στο garage μου...);

Ergotelina said...

A la bonne heure
de retour..
:)
avec votre madame
" Alpha Romeo 1967 Duetto Spider"....


j'ai voulu vous recommander à la fille étrangère par la réclame negative....
:-

En France et au Portugal
c' est pourtant une expression d'admiration privé et d' éloge public, n'est pas ?
:-

FreeCyprus said...

ahhh...I was just passing by and noticed you put up a link to my section "Man is born free and everywhere he is in chains"
Cool and thanks.

You posted that you doubt the existence of Hizbullah? I think my Iranian friends who've had family and friends beaten by Iran's Hizbullah would probably ask that you don't be so sympathetic to them.

Here are some interesting links:

Pictures that damn Hezbollah



DrZin's FlickR photos


(try to see all the photos..)

belinha said...

Hoje é Feriado nacional,sim.Ninguém trabalha.Mas, azar, o tempo não está bom para a praia...

Bom Domingo!

Joshua said...

Ergo te lina, sim, também temos a mesma festa, é feriado e os meus pais fazem 41 anos de casados. Tudo pára.

Peço-te que me ensines grego moderno e que faças a transcrição fonética ou no Português que conheces ou em Inglês.

Está bem?

Como se diz: «Grande é o coração que perdoa e ama sem limites.»?

Beijos
e obrigado pelo comentário ao meu poema.

Joaquim

naturalissima said...

Olá

Sim a festa é a mesma!
É feriado em Portugal.

E respondendo também à questão dos limões, há muito por cá!!!

Aproveito para te agradecer os comenta´rios que tens deixado no meu blog.
És muito simpática.

Um beijinho e continuação de um bom feriado.
Daniela

Ergotelina said...

Obrigada para as respostas meus amigos
...

@FreeCyprus
Where i posted that i doubt the existence of Hizbullah?

Kαι στην Πορτογαλία,οπως και
στον υπολοιπο καθολικο κοσμο
σημερα γιορταζουν και εχουν
αργία...

.Dormition and Assumption of Holy Mary..


Αλλα η Μπελίνια μας είπε
οτι ο καιρός δεν βοηθησε
για θαλασσινή έξοδο...
...
Ατλαντικος ειναι αυτος..
:)
Aλλα γιατι μου ειπε "Καλη Κυριακη"...

Κυριακη ειναι σημερα;;
:?

Joshua
pede..

Como se diz: «Grande é o coração que perdoa e ama sem limites.»?


Grande = Megáli (gh)
é= íne
o=i(feminine the heart in greek)
coração= kardiá
que= pu
perdoa=sin-chorí...ch like kh,not the portuguese ch...
limites= ória
e= ke
ama= agapá (gh)
sem= horís

MΕΓΑΛΗ ΕΙΝΑΙ Η ΚΑΡΔΙΑ
ΠΟΥ ΣΥΓΧΩΡΕΙ ΚΑΙ
ΑΓΑΠΑ ΧΩΡΙΣ ΟΡΙΑ

Megáli ine i kardiá pu
synkhorí ke agapá horís ória


Big is the heart,that forgives
and loves without limits....

:)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Joshua said...

Obrigado, Ergo te lina. Fiquei muito contente por poder dizer em grego moderno tal frase, que me parece a chave para a paz e a harmonia no mundo, para que as lágrimas e os equívocos desapareçam de vez entre os seres humanos.

Ensinas-me, a pouco e pouco, mais?

Pedia-te por agora que me enviasses a frase em grego moderno / Portugês ou que palavra grega é o quê em português.

Um Grande Beijo, Amiga.

Joshua

ioannisk said...

ergo

Αυτός ο τύπος πως και δεν έχει γράψει στο blog σου;

betty coltrane said...

obrigado pelo doce!! Prometo que quando tiver mais tempo leio tudo com atenção! Beijocas!

FreeCyprus said...

"i wonder if there is a Hezbullah

Katyusha-shooter that has refused.."

Whoops, my mistake. My brain just saw the first sentence here...

Maybe there are...but maybe he doesn't live long enough to give interviews? At least Israeli military guys can voice their criticisms?

Margaret said...

This cartoon reads so true. I am an English speaking Christain American. (Forgive me, I was born into it.)

Although not Muslim I totally agree that the way a woman dresses is symbolic of her respect for either the husband, her father/family and above all her Lord.

Clothes do not make a woman beautiful, her heart and her actions do. She can dress bland and even "pretty" without adorning western sexual patterns and still she can remain in style.

She who respects her Lord and herself will in turn receive the highest of respects from others.

That's just my two cents. =O)

Ergotelina said...

Well come Margy....

This cartoon was a feministic one....

it shows that both in East and West..

masculine ideas control the way

a woman should be dressed...


you reminded to me the old english
quote.....


Clothes make the man....

:)....the woman?....i agree
with you...

The heart makes a woman beautiful....

:)

Nice to meet you..

SykoFantiS_Bastoyni said...

Δεν κατάλαβα τι έχει η μπούργκα;
Αν φορεθεί σωστά με δυχτιωτό απο μέσα σου εξαπτει την φαντασία

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